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I haven't contacted them yet, but reading the letter I am on IR ESA Support group. My benefit rate has risen due to an extra payment called disability income guarantee that I wasn't getting on incapacity benefit, and the limited capability for work addition is £34.80 which is £4.80 more than the topup I had when on incapacity benefit.

 

Does this extra amount affect my housing benefit/council tax benefit at all?

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Ok so I grabbed the bull by the horns so to speak and rang them just now. They are giving me 2yrs grace before the next esa form, their decision was backdated to the 9th January so they have said on 9th January 2016 is when I will be contacted again.

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

:frown: That you've limited capability for work related activity but :thumb: that DWATO have recognised it and awarded you employment n support with the support component.

 

The £34.80 is the support component that's added to your personal allowance of £71.70. You won't have any 'top ups' as such cos your applicable amount (what Government says you need to live on) of employment n support is higher than your applicable amount of incapacity + income support.

 

'disability income guarantee' is a legacy generic term for supposedly ensuring a minimum income for disability. (And I wish Jobcentreplus would up date their letters.) You'll be more familiar with the term 'enhanced disability premium' for which the 'passport' is your support component.

 

The higher rates won't affect housing benefit/council tax reduction cos Government's decided you need more to live on.

 

It is an ESA85A and I'd suggest you write to your benefit delivery centre for a copy. Never know when it might come in useful. :-)

 

Think that's it, and I'm really pleased that you got the right result for you.

 

Margaret. :bounce:

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

:frown: That you've limited capability for work related activity but :thumb: that DWATO have recognised it and awarded you employment n support with the support component.

 

The £34.80 is the support component that's added to your personal allowance of £71.70. You won't have any 'top ups' as such cos your applicable amount (what Government says you need to live on) of employment n support is higher than your applicable amount of incapacity + income support.

 

'disability income guarantee' is a legacy generic term for supposedly ensuring a minimum income for disability. (And I wish Jobcentreplus would up date their letters.) You'll be more familiar with the term 'enhanced disability premium' for which the 'passport' is your support component.

 

The higher rates won't affect housing benefit/council tax reduction cos Government's decided you need more to live on.

 

It is an ESA85A and I'd suggest you write to your benefit delivery centre for a copy. Never know when it might come in useful. :-)

 

Think that's it, and I'm really pleased that you got the right result for you.

 

Margaret. :bounce:

 

Is this premium excluded if you are DLA (lower rate) and ESA please?

 

I used to get it with JSA though?

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Is this premium excluded if you are DLA (lower rate) and ESA please?

 

I used to get it with JSA though?

 

It's not excluded.

 

Ruby - you still need to inform housing benefit and council tax. Because your ESA (or part, rather) is income based, you'll get full housing and council tax support.

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It's not excluded.

 

Ruby - you still need to inform housing benefit and council tax. Because your ESA (or part, rather) is income based, you'll get full housing and council tax support.

 

I have got two conflicting reports. I am not receiving this premium when I used to on JSA. Any references so I can take it up with the DWP please?

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:Premiums:

 

The low and medium rate care components of disability living allowance neither confer nor exclude entitlement to an enhanced disability premium with either employment n support or jobseekers. A high rate care component 'passports' to the premium with an income flavoured award.

 

An enhanced disability premium may be payable with jobseekers allowance if the claimant's partner has limited capability work related activity as determined by a work capability assessment.

 

Margaret.

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Perseus, I think you should start your own thread with your queries. As your question doesnt appear to relate to Ruby Tuesday's it might become confusing.

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the dwp baffle me, I am not alone on that I know lol..........so they give me extra to live on but the council tax I pay may go up? bit daft then saying I need more to live on when its not all mine....

 

when I rang dwp yesterday, I said that the letter states I will be transferred to esa from 8th February, but I now recall him saying its been backdated to 9th jan, presumably when atos sent the file back to dwp as atos wrote to me on 9th jan, the dwp wrote on 22nd to say esa from 8th February. so my next contact is due from 9th jan 201 to check if they still think I can have this benefit. I was paid as usual on 7th feb at old rate incapacity and understood that the new rate esa will be paid on due date 21st feb. will this include any extra from the 9th jan?

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

Under the rules for employment n support your applicable amount (what Government says you need to live on) is more than for incapacity/income support so the higher rate of employment n support won't reduce your entitlement to housing benefit/council tax reduction.

 

Both employment n support and incapacity are paid in arrears at the end of every two week period.

 

7 February - incapacity/income support for previous two weeks.

21 February - employment n support (starting 8 February) for previous two weeks.

 

Don't think you'll get any backdating to 9 January. Most decisions are effective from the date when the decision maker makes the decision, but the start dates for conversion decisions are usually aligned to payment cycles which depend on national insurance numbers.

 

Best wishes, Margaret.

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Thankyou Margaret I hadn't understood that. Am so grateful to be in this position. And thankyou as always for your input. At least I know I have informed them and what to expect. I have written for the esa85a, and now will enjoy the peace for a while lol x

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How I miss the security of knowing that my IB would be in the bank on time, at roughly the same time on the due date......not so with ESA, the first payment was there just like the old one was...but now the second isn't in the bank at all on the due date, and I read its a hash of a payment system, if someone forgets to "press the button" it doesn't get done? what the hell?.....stressful phonecall to see whats happened and a delay in payment....tell that to the electric meter, fridge and food cupboard.

 

A friend had these problems when put on ESA recently, completely new claim etc as they had never claimed for any benefits before, we thought that was the reason for her delayed payment 3 times in a row she had to ring up to hear the button wasn't pressed fgs..then it settled.

 

so much for this smooth transfer over from IB to ESA.

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so they open at 8 in the morning and after waiting for ten minutes and paying for this 0845 call, I get a guy who is pleasant enough, ensuring me its a blip in the system, and a payment will be made today....then I ask how a blip can happen and he then looks into my claim after asking the security questions, and says its due to another benefit and asks if I have claimed pip or anything and I said no, and he says he cant even see another benefit on the system but that's what it was saying, he then said its nothing to do with me or anything its a system thing, and to ring next time 2 days before my money is due and they can check if its been set up, as they do this .....so next time if its due on Friday for example, ring on weds to check its been released.........so now he will try and get payment in by lunchtime but it could be 5 pm depending how quickly the bank clears it..........he couldn't guarantee it wont happen again..what a system.

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well the money went in about an hour after the phone call....so they were quick to rectify the situation and the bank very quick to clear the payment. my daughter is going to write and complain if this happens again, the thought of having to ring them every other week to check if the payment is being released is just too ridiculous for me with my anxiety, am already worrying about the next time as it is.

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well I got the esa85a this morning....it lists all the evidence supplied and the opinion of a registered nurse who was the health professional in this case. she has listed several dates of reports and several regs which helped her make her decision plus the comments etc which I put on the esa50. one sentence stood out for me in particular,

 

"The evidence suggests improvement is unlikely in the longer term"

 

In the prognosis section she has put that she advises work is unlikely within 2yrs. Hence dwp giving me 2yrs peace.

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The computer system that pays ESA is...um...well, "antiquated" would be a kind word for it. It is supposed to withhold payment if a change of circumstances is recorded but not fully updated, which is fair enough. The problem, though, is all the "phantom" changes of circumstances that stop payments for no reason that anyone is ever able to determine.

 

And as a processor, you have to go looking for these things - they're not obvious. There were times I spent the entire day simply plodding through a computer list of everyone who hadn't received their payment and trying to determine what had happened. In some cases, sure, there was a valid reason. But about half of the time I couldn't see anything that was causing the problem. I'd just override the computer and issue the payment.

 

The trouble was, doing that task took time. In the meantime, the med certs were piling up, the mail was accumulating in a huge pile on my desk, and the phones were ringing off the hook. Sadly, that means that the people who were most likely to get paid when the computer screwed something up were the ones who called in to complain about it. Even for those of us with the best of intentions, keeping ESA running properly was like juggling flaming clubs while riding a unicycle and swallowing swords.

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this in itself is stressful to me, the thought I have to ring them to see if its being paid ok ....I find phonecalls so distressing at the best of times, and they wont speak to my daughter on my behalf, at least with atos there was a customer email to use, which my daughter did on my behalf during the esa50 millarkey...although of course I am glad that bits over for now. from making the phonecall last Friday, even with it all being sorted very quickly I am still in the anxiety mode that this set off, and by the time it settles I will be having to ring them again to see if its going through on the Friday.........sleepless in between. if I could use the phone and sort this out I wouldn't be needing the damn benefit I would be looking for work. its too much already.

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Hi......my brother is claiming esa and is in the support group, he receives the £72 living amount plus the £35 sickness amount and also the disability income guarantee £15. He doesn't claim any dla or pip at all.

 

His son is also recently become ill and has returned to live with him, the son is newly claiming esa and is expected to need it for at least 6 months due the illness he has. Does the son moving in with him alter my brothers esa claim entitlement?

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