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Well the dreaded day has finally arrived, for some reason I don't feel as bad as I thought I would (that will no doubt change in due course) maybe its due to the wait and expecting of it, and I know its gone to a different level now having read RMW's experience, but now its started its almost better than waiting for it. I fully expect to have a messical and fail, goes without saying, and wont be the shock it was before in 2009.

So the letter arrived this morning, telling me I will get a phone call to talk about how the change from IB will affect me, and after this call I will receive questionnaire to fill in and they will decide from that if I am entitled to ESA or not, or if I need an assessment, (looks like atossers messical on the menu, with sour tasting failure being the dish of the day). Letter says if I don't hear from them within 2 weeks of the letter to ring them, its dated 20th July, so already almost a week in, so 2 weeks would be the 3rd August which is a Saturday and they only open Mon-Fri (according to the letter) so I guess I will ring on the Mon 5th?? if not heard. Bit of a pain as the family are taking me away on Saturday for a week, and I really don't want that phone call during that break, but scared to miss it, if I haven't already as I mis-placed the charger and its been off all this week until I found the charger (in with the laundry, don't ask lol).....Am guessing this is the time when I need to log calls I make and not forget to request a recorded assessment if I have to go to one.

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Download a copy of the ESA50 now and start compiling it. Go through it quickly filling it in then go over it every day bit by bit fattening up your responses after checking every question against the full descriptors.

Start compiling your evidence.

I also included a long description, 3 pages, of an average day.

 

Dont Panic.

 

It was 7 months between sending in my ESA50 and getting a letter putting me into the WRAG without an assessment.

Then again the HCP, contradicted every response I put on the ESA50 so its an Appeal now.

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Ignore their phone call, you are under no obligation to speak to them or even give them your number.

 

They never phoned me, I just filled in the online ESA50 as that gave me a couple of weeks head start before the actual one arrived.

 

The only reason I would phone them is if the ESA50 doesn't arrive within the next month.

 

I will second the advice to start compiling your evidence - appointment cards and your repeat prescription list included - and also start keeping a daily diary of how your condition affects your day to day life so you can condense it into a typical day.

I will also second the advice to check the descriptors before answering the questions as they often don't match the available responses. If none of the tick boxes fit you exactly then don't tick one but write at the side or in the box underneath. Don't be afraid to scribble all over the form if that gets your message across, and if it's worth saying, it's worth repeating at every opportunity.

Final thought - I use the format "Because of x condition I cannot do y. If I try to do y then z happens. The last time I tried to do y ....' Try to use the words risk and danger as often as you can, e.g. if I try to do y I am at risk of ....

 

And don't forget to ask for your recording, in big letters, in the section about special arrangements for the assessment and in the 'any other information' box. Give them every reason to not want to do a face to face assessment!

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

:welcome: It had to happen sooner or later. :-)

 

'...... scared to miss it,' Don't be. Jobcentreplus'll try two or three times, then send an ESA50 anyway. I know more people who, for a variety of reasons, have 'missed' the call than have accepted it. Including me, cos our phones's switched off unless we've arranged to receive a specific call at a specific time. If you do answer the phone, the caller will read a load of info from a script.

(That you already know from CAG)

 

Yes, yes n yes; if you've the facility to log/record calls it'd be senseless not to. And keep an eye out for the ESA50, they're very good at getting lost. If you're anticipating trouble with medical evidence, now's the time to subject access request your doctor.

 

:hug: Margaret.

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

And I'm seconding the advice to make the ESA50 fit you rather than the other way round. Start of my ongoing saga was the first questionnaire I'd ever completed for myself. After three weeks of paper aeroplanes and scrunchies for the cat (she enjoyed it) we gave up on the tick boxes for the activities. In lieu of pages 7 - 16 we submitted sheets of A4 headed up with the descriptors we believe I meet; then used the cos of X, can't do Y, with descriptions of what happens, or doesn't, day to day. Not everyone's choice, but an acceptable alternative format for those who find it easier.

 

Margaret.

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Thankyou all...am downloading the form today, and will do as you all have said. I am confident on the GP evidence and back up, and I have all other original specialist letters of diagnosis. I wont worry about the phone call then, but make sure I ring if their form doesn't arrive, and meanwhile will fill out the download and work on that........many thanks...will keep updated here.

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When working on the ESA50, dont let it faze you, go into as much detail as you can at that moment. If you start losing concentration, close it up and come back to it later or the next day.

You will have around 3 and half weeks to send it in after receiving it so dont panic.

I worked on my ESA50 for around 3 weeks before I had it perfected. I also called in a local Advocacy advisor who helped. I got put straight into the WRAG with no ATOS face to face assessment.

 

Have you thought about contacting your local Advocacy center to help with the ESA50?

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It may help you if you can get someone who knows you well to help you. In the sense that some of us don't quite realise until it's pointed out, how much we actually struggle with something. And (at least with me) I can't always put my problems into words and need someone's input.

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Always a good idea to get help filling that flaming form in. They must have some very 'weird' psyco designing the form, enticing you complete the form in a way that fails to establish your entitlement.

 

My first form that I sent back was lost somewhere in post (they claimed!) The second had no problems with.

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I agree Zonker, if I cant get an advisor appointment I will read all on here and just put all and every piece of info I can on it, extra pages and all..it will like a dossier but what the hell, there will be the recording request on every spare and appropriate space too lol...my daughter is good with helping me do that kind of thing so hopefully I should be ok with doing the form, and will want a recorded assessment if it goes that far. Am trying to cut back even further with spending (very hard) to try and keep something aside in case they just throw me off totally and tell me to go for jsa, have heard this happen to some, and the its like 28 days no money if you ask for reconsideration before a possible tribunal request, when then I understand you can get basic rate benefit, which at least is something....just trying to cover all angles/plans to help keep my anxiety from soaring, as that will kick the bipolar off and its damn hard to get back to my normal, which is never the same as others who don't have bipolar, but better than me in full flight or down in the pit, and aggravates the fibromyalgia, upsets my blood sugar and my diabetes gets worrying, all a viscious (spelling) circle if am not careful, and a very unpleasant merry-go-round. Anyway...one step at a time, I have the form downloaded and am doing as suggested, getting prepared with eyes wide open as they say.

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Well am back from the holiday the family took me on, shattered and glad to be home, it exhausted me lol....I didn't have the mobile phone with me it was switched off and at home all week. There are no messages on it, so am assuming the dwp either didn't ring or just didn't leave a message. The two weeks from the date of their letter is up today, and theyre not there on Saturdays, although the letter was dated 20th july which was a Saturday. I am therefore assuming if no questionnaire arrives this week I will have to phone them, I will have my daughter with me when I do.

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Well I haven't received the questionnaire and daughter was worrying incase it didn't arrive (genuinely or otherwise) so she sat with me while I rang them back, I said no need to explain about all the changes as daughter had found the info online and she understood it, and would explain to me whenever I was anxious and or had forgotten it all which was the usual thing with my memory and digesting things, all I needed to do was make sure the questionnaire got to me and it hadn't, the jc+ lady was very polite, unlike previous times/people, she said the questionnaire should be with me in the next 2-3 weeks, and to be sure to put as much info on it as possible, daughter can help, and any GP info/medical evidence I have to make sure its on there, she made a point of stressing the importance of info/evidence, and wished me all the best with it. I have noted her name and date and time of call, and its logged on my phone. so I feel a bit better in as much as it should be on the way soon and I can get on with this sorry situation.

At first though lol the lady said I had been on esa since 2011...I corrected that as it was 2011 when I had my tribunal hearing and the incapacity benefit was re-instated and added to income support, and I was given 2 and a half yrs peace until this current assessment process. My daughter had written all this down for me before the call was made so i would be able to explain if it came up, and good job she did. The jc+ lady said i was lucky to have my daughter and how good of her to take the trouble to make sure i had the notes and info at the ready.

Obviously i don't trust any of them making the decisions, and or atossers, but at least this lady was polite and helpful and not unpleasant and nasty as i found them to be back in 2009 at the last episode of it, i know what is likely to come and what needs doing, but at least not being insulted on the phone made this bit easier.

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:Hiya Ruby_Tuesday:

 

Hope you enjoyed the break from DWATO. Apart from keeping a paper trail and logging/recording calls if poss , tis my personal opinion that there's no one failsafe way to cope with them. Although I never answer calls, I occasionally make calls to DWATO, so long as my husband's next to me to take over when it goes pear-shaped. :-)

Good luck with the ESA50, Margaret.

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Thankyou Margaret........I am ever suspicious of them lol. My daughter will always be with me if I have to ring them or worse still see them, I don't answer my phone unless its family or an expected call, and make very calls. Ringing dwp/esa was more for me than them, just awaiting the esa50 now, have gotten prepared as I can be, seeing GP next week and will grill him (nicely) and make sure he understands what the state of play is here.

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I've received ESA50 for my ESA :( won my appeal last October so must be due to see me again,feeling awful that have to go through all this again especially as been going through tough time lately

 

What's the best to do?Get evidence from my doctor etc?i've been seeing psychiatrist and they have recently referred me to healthy minds for talking therapy,had my first appointment with the last week,do I need to get evidence of these people and was wondering if any of them would help me fill in form

 

I know I'll have to have medical with atossers again and they score me 0 points :( feeling awful have to go through all this again

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I've received ESA50 for my ESA :( won my appeal last October so must be due to see me again,feeling awful that have to go through all this again especially as been going through tough time lately

 

What's the best to do?Get evidence from my doctor etc?i've been seeing psychiatrist and they have recently referred me to healthy minds for talking therapy,had my first appointment with the last week,do I need to get evidence of these people and was wondering if any of them would help me fill in form

 

I know I'll have to have medical with atossers again and they score me 0 points :( feeling awful have to go through all this again

 

You're better off starting your own thread.

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: Phil76:

 

Yes, anything you can persuade your general practitioner, or the mental health professionals who are involved in your care, to write about the effects of your condition on your day to day life can be submitted with your ESA50 in support of your claim.

 

Don't think too many of them get involved with ESA50 forms. However there's a factsheet about work capability assessments, which includes the completion of an ESA50 for mental health conditions, at;

 

http://www.rethink.org/living-with-mental-illness/money-issues-benefits-employment/work-capability-assessment

 

In my experience an audio record tends to improve the accuracy of face to face assessments;

 

http://blog.atoshealthcare.com/2012/12/how-to-request-an-audio-recorded-assessment

 

Best wishes, Margaret.

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: Phil76:

 

Yes, anything you can persuade your general practitioner, or the mental health professionals who are involved in your care, to write about the effects of your condition on your day to day life can be submitted with your ESA50 in support of your claim.

 

Don't think too many of them get involved with ESA50 forms. However there's a factsheet about work capability assessments, which includes the completion of an ESA50 for mental health conditions, at;

 

http://www.rethink.org/living-with-mental-illness/money-issues-benefits-employment/work-capability-assessment

 

In my experience an audio record tends to improve the accuracy of face to face assessments;

 

http://blog.atoshealthcare.com/2012/12/how-to-request-an-audio-recorded-assessment

 

Best wishes, Margaret.

 

Thank you

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So my anxiety has been gradually kicking in, and am thinking the best way forward for me. Ok I got the first letter re the benefit changes and the phone call info, after two weeks and no call I rang them to allay my anxiety, nice lady on phone said the form should be with me in the next 2-3 weeks, the 3 weeks will be up on the 26th August, so being in my anxiety bubble here, if it doesn't arrive by then do I ring again? or send my printed off online form? I know they give you a certain length of time to return the form but I cant remember how long, I think its 3 weeks?. I have a payment due on Friday so am thinking this is safe, I just dread the "we sent the form and you didn't return it" trick. It baffles me that anyone would think this situation is any kind of life choice.

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:Hiya Ruby_Tuesday:

 

Not quite time for the panic button, but even if I had a dagger it wouldn't pierce DWATO devised anxiety. :-x So I'll settle for some snippets that may help reduce it a notch or two.

 

Time allowed for completion of an ESA50 is four weeks. If Tatos haven't recorded the receipt of a questionnaire after three weeks the computer automatically sends a reminder. There's no point to sending an initial ESA50 (for a new claim or reassessment) until you know one's been requested. (Neither Tatos nor their computer will know what to do with it.) :roll: So, if you don't receive a paper ESA50 within the next few days, it's either their call carousel or write to your benefit centre to say you were expecting one that hasn't shown. Use the time to make as good a job as you can of a downloaded copy so it's ready to send once you hear from them.

 

With your diagnosis it's unlikely (but not impossible) that you'd receive a 'failure to return'. Your entry on the medical services referral system will almost certainly be flagged for mental health. And if so, and you don't return a completed ESA50 for whatever reason, your case will be progressed automatically to the next stage of the Tatos assessment. Good cos claimants don't get done for 'failure to return'. Bad cos a whole heap of claimant evidence is lost to the decision maker.

 

Take care, Margaret.

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Thankyou Margaret. I am looking at my esa print off copy each day, adding bits here and there, particularly with the fact that I can lift an empty box, but once is ok, repetition definitely not ok, twisting turning to maybe move it from here to there would have me in pain if done repeatedly. so I have lots of extra notes and paper to add with it.

Thankyou again .....

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My daughter was with me this morning and I rang the same office as before and they have said that they have been told by "medical services" that in this area is approx. a 6-7 week wait for the esa50 to be sent out, that's 6-7 weeks from the first phone call, so its likely another 4 weeks-ish before I will get it, she said not to worry yet, as she was aware of my anxiety. I will leave it be now for a few weeks. I have both calls made on phone records, and if I write it will be sent recorded. Just breathing now and keeping my pre-done forms handy to check and add to if necessary.

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