Are we really this stupid?

[coppullcaveman1]

I have no idea how much UK Plc is in debt... I do wonder why we need to borrow from private bankers though? A sovereign state can issue its own debt free currency so why borrow? Who are these trillions owed to by every nation?

 

This debt owed by so many to so few is a [problem], it has been engineered to enslave us all. Once the control of money was transferred from the gold standard and was handed over to private banks we were screwed.

 

Private banks such as the US Federal reserve literally create money from nothing without having anything to back it up with such as gold.

 

This fiat currency is a huge con and I wish people could see it.

 

The deficit is a globally engineered con perpetrated by generations of one or two families. Rothchilds are one.

 

The ultimate aim seems to be a one world government with the majority living in an orwellian society with a very few feeding off us all.

 

It's social engineering of the highest order and with the darkest motives.

 

Get out of the EUROPEAN Union all together. They are taking our sovereignty by stealth. The Late Lady Thatcher was well aware of the objectives of the EU... I hated her at the time btw but she was right about that. That's why influence was used from outside to shove her out... She wasn't voted out, her own ministers got rid of her with more than a little help from outsiders.

 

We should demand a global return to the gold standard for currency a day prevent the any private company from controlling a nations finances.

[Conniff]

That would be almost exactly how it happened. I don't believe it was purposely engineered though.

[Guest]

and heres one daily rags writers' recent take on things re eu! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2311874/DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-SATURDAY-ESSAY-mousy-hausfrau-ruthless-cunning-Angela-Merkel-Germany-master-Europe-way-Hitler-Kaiser-Wilhelm-dreamt-implications-frightening.html

Edited April 23, 2013 by Ford

[Conniff]

Unfortunately those who know nothing but think they know it all will dismiss anything in the DM because they can't think of anything to counter it with.

[coppullcaveman1]

"Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws.”

Baron M.A. Rothschild

 

Once the very few bankers have the control over currency they become all powerful and Presidents, Prime ministers, Monarchs are all subservient to them ... (Not openly of course)

 

The fact still remains that these private banks create money out of NOTHING and then charge interest for it. A 1p coin has more monetary value than a £50 note in reality because it has some value as metal , the only value of a £50 note is faith in this current fraudulent system we have all embraced so eagerly. The money in your pocket is no longer backed by anything which leads to the current situation.

 

I would still like to know who every country on the planet owes money to ? No news organisation has took this up , dont you find it strange that we as a nation owe so much money ?

 

The Tories blame Labour , yeah right !!! Gordon Brown could not bring down the entire global economy on his own, it took organisation and co-ordination

 

Maggie Thantcher wouldnt join in and play by the unwritten rules of the financial moguls , so she was got rid of .

 

I believe it works like this , a situation is created ( whether it be a terrorist attack or a financial crisis ) then Governments deal with these situations in a number of ways but always at the expense of personal freedoms, or increased financial levys .

 

We have a problem , there is an initial reaction then those who supposedly govern propose a solution. Its a tried and tested social engineering ploy and it obviously works because no-one questions it.

 

The British in particular have a moan for a bit the just get on with it, ( poll tax was the one exception i recall)

 

It just doesnt seem to be discussed openly by politicians, the media or anyone . I would bet ( with my worthless money) that all the debt is owed to a very small but very wealthy group of people.

[filrobbo]

I believe it to be the Vatican

[Guest]

the poll tax was/is actually a fair idea, its just the means that was wrong. eg given what the tax is for, why should a same house with 6 occupants pay the same as the same size house next door with 3 occupants?

Edited April 23, 2013 by Ford

[honeybee13]

Hello Coppullcaveman.

 

That's an interesting theory. What is your proposed solution please?

 

My best, HB

[coppullcaveman1]

My solution??? You misjudged me honeybee. I'm unable to propose a solution. We should definitely remove control of the wealth from private banks and return to the gold standard. As for a definitive solution... It would take a better mind than mine to work that out.

 

Without the people seeing the problem there is no hope. Only numbers can make a difference.

 

Google the lawful bank there are some ideas there, I never was any good with money!

[coppullcaveman1]

I believe it to be the Vatican

 

I believe the Vatican has some influence but it does not own the United States Federal Reserve... Which despite its name is a privately run bank... One prominent figure in the Federal reserve said when a person writes a cheque the money is deducted from their account. When the Federal Reserve writes a cheque it creates money.

 

I believe the ownership of the Federal Reserve to be connected to the UK in a big way... QE2 connections have been implied.

 

Back to the Vatican.. I have no doubt that they weild immense power and influence but I think they are more of a compliant non participant who know what's happening.. Sort of aiding and abetting from the sidelines and no doubt the benefit financially in one way or another.

[Conniff]

I have questioned time and time again, why are we bowing down to a commercial company, what is so different about the banks that make them top dog and others cast aside.

Banks are the only private company that gets it's stock for nothing, they don't even have to pay a white van man to collect it, we take it to them and then they charge us for the privilege.

 

I know one thing, if they do decide to levy a fee on current accounts, I will demand that I am paid another way. I can't see how we can be compelled to compulsorily contribute to a private company.

 

There are others ways of paying bills beside direct debits, standing orders and cheques.

[determindator]

An interesting discussion

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K66KithMQlA

[duckwaddler]

Don't get me started on the Rothchilds, or the Rockafellas!!!

 

Anyone who funds the first world war is not to be trusted in my opinion!

[coppullcaveman1]

Don't get me started on the Rothchilds, or the Rockafellas!!!

 

Anyone who funds the first world war is not to be trusted in my opinion!

 

It funny you mentioned that because it appears that Massive population reduction is one of the hidden agendas.

 

Quite how where and when I don't know. It may or may not be in my lifetime... Freedom is an illusion, the UK is the most surveilled society on the planet... Yes worse than China, Russia or the United States.

 

Even free speech is an illusion now, prosecutions for Facebook posts and tweets. The worst of it is, we have been conditioned to accept it and still believe we are free.

[steampowered]

Your reasoning is contradictory. On the one hand you say we don't need to borrow because we can print money. On the other hand you say we should return to the gold standard, but the whole point of the gold standard is that it stops governments from printing money because currency has to be backed by reserves.

 

If you print money, you end up with inflation. Debt is more manageable because it starts being inflated away, but people are made poorer as they cannot buy as much with their wages. The gold standard prevents all this, but because you can't print money to inflate away your debt and finance current spending, you end up with much higher debt levels.

 

You can't have it both ways. There are only two ways governments can sustain a situation where spending is greater than tax income. They can either take on debt, effectively pushing today's spending into tomorrow's tax rises, or they can print money and achieve the same result through deflating the value of people's income.

[labrat]

or we could just massivly reduce the population and re-distribute resources, fairly easy to do

[coppullcaveman1]

or we could just massivly reduce the population and re-distribute resources, fairly easy to do

Ok let's start a list for volunteers for extermination...

Who is going to play god then?

[coppullcaveman1]

Your reasoning is contradictory. On the one hand you say we don't need to borrow because we can print money. On the other hand you say we should return to the gold standard, but the whole point of the gold standard is that it stops governments from printing money because currency has to be backed by reserves.

 

If you print money, you end up with inflation. Debt is more manageable because it starts being inflated away, but people are made poorer as they cannot buy as much with their wages. The gold standard prevents all this, but because you can't print money to inflate away your debt and finance current spending, you end up with much higher debt levels.

 

You can't have it both ways. There are only two ways governments can sustain a situation where spending is greater than tax income. They can either take on debt, effectively pushing today's spending into tomorrow's tax rises, or they can print money and achieve the same result through deflating the value of people's income.

 

Inflate debt away???? Sorry I'm no economist. But I thought interest and compound interest charged on this money that is created from nothing is a never ending spiral of debt. If money could only be created when you can back it with something then it could not be created out of things air and lent out at silly rates of interest.

 

Borrowing from banks that back their currency with something would introduce more stability than currently exists.

 

Maybe government should keep out of the money printing business but those institutions that do issue currency should hold reserves to back it up. The creation of money from nothing is the problem.

Any institution such as the US FEDERAL RESERVE should be regularly audited... It never has been for some reason.

 

I bet the contents of fort knox are now in Rothchilds private vault.

Who is buying up all the gold with this created from nothing currency? Who is the national debt of every nation owed to?

Edited April 26, 2013 by coppullcaveman1
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[ericsbrother]

the devaluation route is normally done by inflation. that is why bank rates are so low. The government borrows money at 0.5% and inflation is 3.5% so it pays back 97% ofthe value of what it borrows after a year. The problem comes when the government prints too much money and you get hyperinflation because the currency isnt trusted any more. With electronic money we cant see how good or bad things are.

All government of the world owe huge amounts of money as they cannot actually create wealth themselves. If a government fails to pay its debts then the populace goes bck to a real value system such as bartering or using someone else's currency like in Zimbabwe.

How can you reduce the population? Our government calculated back in 2006 that net immigration into europe would be so problematical that by 2015 the european economy would collapse. They informed all governmental departments of this and asked for suggestions to quell civil unrest. The result is law like RIPA, the Terrorism Act and other powers that allow for summary justice. Did you know that the Terrorism Act has powers that allow, under a local emergency, police or even traffic wardens to shoot you for disobeying instructions not to leave your house/ road or for failing to surrender your house/car.

They keep that very quiet as if it was widely known that these powers existed people might go on the offensive at a time of unrest rather then being shot for not doing as they were told by soem council employee.

[coppullcaveman1]

I understand what you are saying and I still say a gold backed currency is the most stable as only a finite amount of currency can be printed based on national reserves.

 

Borrowing money that is backed by gold would prevent the massive fraud that is occurring now. .

 

[labrat]

Ok let's start a list for volunteers for extermination...

Who is going to play god then?

 

who needs god (or gods rehligion depending)

 

give mother nature a chance

 

failing that therss human nature lets face it at some point someone will invent something that ends up killing half the place

[Guest]

mother nature, ie 'god'?, is trying to get rid of us . but as coppull says, otherwise who's going to volunteer?

 

haven't we already invented somethings that can do that?

Edited April 27, 2013 by Ford

[labrat]

true but nukes aint ssomething you can build in the shed

 

give kt enough time for the launch systems to be hacked

[Guest]

depends how big the 'shed' is!

[coppullcaveman1]

We already have the worst thing imaginable... And egocentric elitist ultra nationalist natural born exterminator, not exactly natural born, more engineered. The United States of America. Not the people... The ones who are in power. ( I don't think it's president obama either... He's just a puppet like all the other latterday us presidents , George Bush with the IQ of an ape running a nation on his own lmfao! ) .

 

I reckon I have about 20 years left if I'm lucky and I doubt I will see any drastic changes for the better or worse.

 

Control of the wealth is the key to drastic change. Private Corporations are running this planet purely for profit at any cost.

Edited April 26, 2013 by coppullcaveman1
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