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I wonder if anyone can help me? I moved flats at the weekend and called Eon (who were my previous provider of both gas and electric) to notify them nd to get my final bill. I have been paying a monthly direct debit to them for the 4 years I have lived there.


I had my gas meter reading - but was having difficulty accessing the cupboard which holds the electric meter.


The girl I spoke to to said they could wait for the electiric. When I gace her my gas reading - she was confiused, and asked if I didn't use gas at the property - I said I did. Basically, the meter hadn't gone up since the last meter reading in September 2011.


I explained that I had been paying the direct debit - which said on the front of the bill was for both gas and electric. She explained that if I read donw the bill (pages) then it showed that although I was paying a 'holding fee' for the gas - I whadn't paid anything for usage.


I pointed out that this bill was regularly reviewed by them and nothing had been picked up their end either. I was also given a rebate last summer - which I called ot check was right - and was told it was because our usage was low.


They are now tellin gme I will haev to pay a backdated fee of nearly £500 (based on an estimate because the mater hasn't been working)


I want to know where i stand leaglly - as I feel like this is not entirely my fault as I thought I was covered in my direct debit. They also should surely have some responsibility over the maintenane of the meter?


Please can anyone help and tell me where I stand?



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I think e.on may be on a sticky wicket here.


The most they can back-bill is a year from the date of the first correct bill, which they cannot get correct until the meter is changed and the billing re-estimated based on ongoing consumption, which will be entirely different to your own due to the change of tenancy.


do you still have access to the meter? it may be an idea to take a photo of the read, serial number etc if possible.


Whilst it is unrealistic you used nothing, there's nothing they can do to prove you didn't, i mean, what if you used electric radiators rather than gas heating?

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Hi Charfew82


Sounds like the gas meter stopped recording usage in September 2011.


We've a specialist stopped meter team who look after this type of situation. These are the people to talk to.


They look at each case on an individual basis. Usually, they'll arrange for the meter to be replaced and re-bill the account back to when we believe the meter stopped. This is done by going back to the last known correct reading and estimating usage from there. These estimates are generally based on usage going forward with an allowance built in for seasonal fluctuations.


However, as you're no longer at the property, we'll need to do this differently. Generally, in these cases, we'll look at usage before the meter stopped and base our estimates on that. Again, building in an allowance for seasonal fluctuations.


The revised bill will be based on the prices current when the gas was actually used.


I agree with nottslad. The Billing Code may well come into play here and I would certainly ask if it does apply.


Under the Billing Code, where we're at fault, we'll only back bill for 12 months from when the account was corrected.


Don't worry about having to pay any remaining balance immediately. We'll be happy to set up a payment arrangement and spread the balance over a similar period that the meter had stopped.


Sorry for all the inconvenience Charfew82 but hope this explains what happens with a stopped meter. Give me a shout if you need any more info as will be happy to help.



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