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By Manxman in exile · Posted
Presumably you have received your own NIP/s172 request after the lease company identified you as the person the car is leased to? First thing to say is that, regardless of any questions over the date of the first NIP, you must still reply to your own NIP/s172 within the time limit given otherwise you are committing an entirely separate and more serious offence than any speeding infringement. If you were the driver you should nominate yourself. You need to be careful arguing that the first NIP was not sent out in time. Note that it is only the first NIP that is subject to the 14 day limit, and that NIP needs to go to the Registered Keeper. There is no time limit on subsequent NIPs. So are you 100% certain that your lease company is the registered keeper and do you know that for a fact? Please note that the registered keeper of lease vehicles is often not the lease company, but a finance company. If the police are saying that the first NIP was sent to the RK within the time limit, you can be 99.99999% certain that they will have evidence proving that fact. Assuming it was sent out first-class, there is a legal presumption that it was delivered two working days after posting, unless the addressee can prove it was never received. So if the police are saying the first NIP was sent out within 12 days, the RK would have to prove it was never received within 14 days to provide a defence. As you might imagine, that is very difficult to prove otherwise everybody would claim it. Unfortunately, "reminder" NIPs are usually not marked as such and may be indistinguishable from the original. So you need to confirm (preferably by sight of a copy of the actual V5C document as staff of lease companies do not always know) who the Registered Keeper is, and when they recived the first NIP. If it was received after 14 days can they prove that fact (eg by a date received stamp and an appropriate system for dealing with mail received) and can they prove that they didn't receive an earlier NIP? Hope that makes sense! If it doesn't another poster called Man in the Middle will clarify what I 've not explained well or got wrong. -
Simply confirming no mediation and the claim is proceeding to allocation. Andy -
By supernick90 · Posted
Thanks for the swift response. Will continue to read around. I have a date of march 10. -
By BankFodder · Posted
First of all, they always say that you should be prepared to give up ground. If you are convinced as to your rights in the matter – and we certainly are – then there is no reason for you to give up any ground at all. You may come under pressure to give up ground – but you don't have to concede any ground. The benefit to Hermes is that they don't end up going to court so that they are spared extra expense and also there are spared the embarrassment of a judgement against them. When you are given the mediation date, then let us know and then we will go through it with you. However, read up on all of the threads in this sub- forum. You will find exactly your situation have occurred several times and have already gone to mediation and you will find that we have already given explanations on each one of the points. Familiarise yourself with the stories and the principles involved. When you get your mediation date then come back here and let us know. -
By supernick90 · Posted
I have read the page on mediation, but wanted to clarify a few details. I have been given an arranged time for the mediation call. The email from the court states: "for mediation to be successful, you would need to be willing to negotiate on the amount of the claim and have a degree of flexibility". Should I have to give up ground? At this stage, I feel I am owed what I have lost, and what the claim has cost me, not to mention my time. The email says if you aren't willing then mediation is unsuitable. It then also suggests: "It is crucial that you are able to briefly and accurately explain your claim or defence. It is vital that you have prepared for the mediation by putting together a brief summary of your opening position. Only the key points are necessary at this stage as the longer the time taken discussing the disputed issues will reduce the time available for exploring settlement options." I am of course aware of my opening position - that they were negligent and lost my item and thus I believe I am due recompense. However, I am not certain of the legal particulars of my argument. Furthermore: - Should I mention that the defendant may not wish to proceed to court as it may support a precedent for others in a similar situation to also claim against them? - Are there any other things I should be mentioning to the mediator? Appreciate the guidance.
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Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
So I issued the claim on day 15 and they requested more time to respond.
They took until the last day to respond and denied the claim, unsurprisingly saying my contract was with Packlink and not with them.
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In the first call I outlined my case, and I referred to the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 as the reason to why I do in fact have a contract with them.
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To be fair to them, if Packlink wasn't based in Spain I would've made the claim against them instead. But since they are overseas and the law lets me take action against Hermes directly, it's the best way of trying to recover the money.
So this is a great win. Thank you so much for your help and all of the resources available on this site. It has helped me so much especially as someone who does not know anything about making money claims.
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