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Sorry if I am a bit dim here...just my thoughts. As my assessment time is looming, and I fully expect Incapacity gone and a transfer to either ESA if am lucky, or JSA if not so. Rather than declare myself unfit and left with no money I would be effectively forced to say otherwise? despite my diagnosis of illessess and info given to atossers/dwp.

 

I haven't seen the JSA forms, but would hopefully find somewhere to write my illnesses down, and that as atos/dwp genuinely feel I am fit to work then I feel I have no choice but to comply. My opinion on it and medical reports don't count..however when I then get pushed into work or whatever treats they have in store and I totally crack up, what then?

 

I would hate anyone to be in a dreadful state but wonder just how long it will be before atossers/dwp are sued, there must be some legal way to make them pay if they hound an unfit person in this way, and take all money away to force them into work they are not fit for, and force them into saying they are......is this really the UK? or have I been transported to an alien planet?

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I don't think there's anywhere on the JSA form to mention disabilities; but there's nothing to stop you informing your adviser of your disabilities. I can't quite remember how I told my adviser actually.

 

If you tell the job centre, I do believe they tell your adviser.

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I cant believe you have not migrated to ESA or JSA yet. I had an assesment date well over a year ago :-)

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well its cos I had a tribunal, as in 2009 the atossers/dwp found me fit for work, I had to wait almost 18 months for the hearing and got my incapacity reinstated, with them recommending a 3 yrs peace for me. but dwp rang and said at the time that I will get a form in 2013 after 2 yrs as they are ending incapacity.....so its looming very soon.

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Have nothing good to say about ATOS , the way assessments are done, or about any Tory government for that matter. but can't see why you feel ATOS/DWP would force or hound you into claiming JSA. They don't actually give a toss whether you make a JSA claim or not. l.

 

All benefits are financial support options an individual can choose to apply for if the wish. All the DWP staff will do is give you info on any available options and leave it to you to decide whether to apply or not. The final responsibility for deciding to apply and agree to meet the criteria and conditions attached to receive it, is with the individual. Someone can also choose not to claim JSA or find paid work on their own efforts which will probably work out more successful than help from any advisor on the Work Programmme.

 

Do you mean a failed assessment after April , when the interim assesment rate is stopped until a mandatory reconsideration is done? As there will still be the option of appealing after the reconsideration and getting assessment rate from that point on..

 

It's clear the government is trying its best to make working any hours in any type of work at basic NMW infinitely more appealing to people than claiming ESA or JSA .

 

If able , best to get as prepared as you can before going for any assessment. Getting it right at the front end will leave less room for the assessor to manouevre you into a failed assessment and save you a lot of stress and work compared to an appeal.. Then hopefully you won't have to face any of the situations mentioned above.

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there will be no payment of any kind during any reconsideration period which also does not have a time limit. which is what I based my thoughts on, as regardless of information being given the assessors are not reporting the truth, and in a lot of cases making it very difficult to have an assessment recorded etc. it is the time during the reconsideration when people will be left with nothing, and I doubt that this will give atos any kind of jab to tell the truth. preparation is good yes, but no doubt I will see where it gets me.

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thinks I have lost the plot, too much thinking and reading and causing myself muddles, time for a break. good luck all with your issues.

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There is no place within the JSA1 (JSA1s) form to state restrictions due to incapacity.

The questions are asked when you attened the initial interview to claim JSA and reasonable restrictions can be put in place, e.g unable to lift, bend, carry, sit etc and as long as you can show that you are looking for at least 16 hours per week that should be ok.

A Job Seekers Agreement would then be agreed but only if the adjustments are considered reasonable iygwim?

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oh I see flumps then its not all such bad news then...yes I get what you mean...thanks. I have been too caught up in all the regs etc and it muddles my head and does me no favours, I am not too sharp with the memory at times. many thanks for that though.

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no problem, one of my many duties is taking new claims :o

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Ah, yes. I remember being asked about restrictions, etc. when my claim was done a few years ago.

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that was the part that worried me Nystagmite, having heard that people are getting thrown off ESA and then effectively given no choice but have no money or sign for JSA, regardless of the comments of some on here, it is sometimes all too often due to atos/dwp not being fair with assessments and decisions, and I do believe they force sick people onto JSA, between the two of them, and the dwp knowing they cannot live without money, so I do believe they should be held responsible for their actions, whether they continue to get away with this or not is to be seen in the future....anyway moving on from that, what flumps has told me here I will keep firmly in my head and with a good GP hopefully even the worst scenario may not be as bad as it could.

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