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can anyone tell me if u sign on everyday is it just with your adviser or sometimes signing on and another thing i got told that if u were to sign on u would have to be in the job centre for 30-35 hours a week? surely that is not possible as what the hell are we suppose to do in there offices they have 8 pcs but there gonna be like over a thousand people going to sign on!

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That's one of the many questions I'm going to ask when I sign on tomorrow. My first question is going to be 'Have you got written guidance and if so, can I have a copy please?'. I don't expect to get it that easily though. In fact, I don't expect them to even have it. They must have been told something though, even if only verbally.

 

Even with people who sign on fortnightly, the waiting area is crammed so I can't see them wanting daily signers to hang about for long. It's probably more intended to sicken people by dragging them in each day and hope they sign off - or get a doubt raised for turning up 10 seconds late.

 

I'll let you know what happens tomorrow. If I get my normal adviser I should learn something as she's one of the more decent ones.

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That's one of the many questions I'm going to ask when I sign on tomorrow. My first question is going to be 'Have you got written guidance and if so, can I have a copy please?'. I don't expect to get it that easily though. In fact, I don't expect them to even have it. They must have been told something though, even if only verbally.

 

Even with people who sign on fortnightly, the waiting area is crammed so I can't see them wanting daily signers to hang about for long. It's probably more intended to sicken people by dragging them in each day and hope they sign off - or get a doubt raised for turning up 10 seconds late.

 

I'll let you know what happens tomorrow. If I get my normal adviser I should learn something as she's one of the more decent ones.

 

Yes please, that would be really helpful. I'm signing on Friday and crapping myself about it tbh.

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That's one of the many questions I'm going to ask when I sign on tomorrow. My first question is going to be 'Have you got written guidance and if so, can I have a copy please?'. I don't expect to get it that easily though. In fact, I don't expect them to even have it. They must have been told something though, even if only verbally.

 

Even with people who sign on fortnightly, the waiting area is crammed so I can't see them wanting daily signers to hang about for long. It's probably more intended to sicken people by dragging them in each day and hope they sign off - or get a doubt raised for turning up 10 seconds late.

 

I'll let you know what happens tomorrow. If I get my normal adviser I should learn something as she's one of the more decent ones.

 

i agree it is crammed every fortnight i sign on so a just cant see how signing on everyday is gonna help it plus if its true to be in the job centre for 30 hours a week i doubt that what can u do there only so many jobs u can apply for not everyday will have a job for u up online.if its signing on everyday and its for like a quick 10 mins i would not mind signing on as i live like 10-15 minute walk depending on getting by traffic.

 

but if u could let me know aswell like what your adviser says as i have my post work thing in 2weeks as i will be finished my WP before that date.

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There is a lot of use of the words "volunteer" and "volunteering" here since this new "Help to Work" regime came into force. Am I to take it that people are expected to volunteer to stack shelves at Tesco etc? That this volunteering (even for charities) is mandatory? Mandatory volunteering?

 

What employment rights would you have volunteering to work for a company like Tesco? Volunteers have far fewer rights than employees.

 

I would certainly want to know where I stood with regard to my employment rights as well as the insurance and work and safety issues!

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Being mandated to undertake "voluntary" work does not make you a "volunteer", just a conscript.

 

You have no rights beyond the most basic of expectations under Health & Safety legislation. You do not qualify for any rights under employment law.

 

Whilst some have an expectation of dignity and respect, a few have reported this is non-existent.

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quick question, whilst you're on this 30 hour slavery are you still supposed to do work search ujm etc etc ?

Yes i get my signin on day off so he wants me to use the computer in the jobcentre that day an to log into universal job match once or twice a week where he will hav sent me sum jobs he has found for me

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There wnt be thousands of people signing everyday its only people who hav finished at the work programme and not doing voluntary work its about 200,000 for the whole country and most will be sent on the mandatory work placements so my guess is they will hav the "dregs" signing everyday the one they suspect of being alcoholics or addicts and come to sign on look worse for wear as they wont get taken on for placements and the rest will be people waiting for a vacant placement to be sent on an they will have u spend a full afternoon on a pc doing jobsearch

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Yes i get my signin on day off so he wants me to use the computer in the jobcentre that day an to log into universal job match once or twice a week where he will hav sent me sum jobs he has found for me

 

Don't forget you can withdraw consent at any time for the DWP to view your UJ account - that would stop him sending rubbish jobs to you. Of course, if the jobs he's finding are decent ones then that's fine.

 

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Just noticed the DWP Guidance has been updated 28th April (the day the Help To Work scheme started) so it might be best to check out all the new amendments. Here's the page, click on 'See all updates'. Check out anything recently updated, especially Chapter 3c dealing with voluntary and community work, that was updated on 26th April.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/work-programme-dwp-provider-guidance

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i got told that if u were to sign on u would have to be in the job centre for 30-35 hours a week?

 

That (if it happens at all) is due to start at the end of this year. And it will another trough for the providers to sink their noses into as it won't be hosted at the Jobcentres.

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Can anyone point me to the DWP guidance that states they must pay for my travel costs to and from the JCP, please? I plan to print it off and show it to my advisor tomorrow when she says no it's my responsibility.

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*Heads Up*

Just noticed the DWP Guidance has been updated 28th April (the day the Help To Work scheme started) so it might be best to check out all the new amendments. Here's the page, click on 'See all updates'. Check out anything recently updated, especially Chapter 3c dealing with voluntary and community work, that was updated on 26th April.

 

Some unpleasant news in there for a few. Some ESA claimants can now be mandated to undertake Work Placements (community benefit) - Will need to read the rest of the guidance notes to see what else has changed...

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Some unpleasant news in there for a few. Some ESA claimants can now be mandated to undertake Work Placements (community benefit) - Will need to read the rest of the guidance notes to see what else has changed...
yes they mandated my partener to do work placement and he is on Esa an has been since he turned 18 hes now 30 so he found his own voluntary work at a sue ryder shop before they did

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Just a thought, how are the jobcentre going to deal with people who have a criminal record? You can't do voluntary work without a CRB check, which if you have a criminal record means you can't do voluntary work

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Just a thought, how are the jobcentre going to deal with people who have a criminal record? You can't do voluntary work without a CRB check, which if you have a criminal record means you can't do voluntary work

 

I imagine they will be the one's who have to sign on everyday then. That'll be nice, won't it? - A thousand angry crims forced to hang around the JCP everyday

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Can anyone point me to the DWP guidance that states they must pay for my travel costs to and from the JCP, please? I plan to print it off and show it to my advisor tomorrow when she says no it's my responsibility.

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Here you go. Basically, if they've asked you to come in specially and it's not your normal signing day, they have to pay your expenses.. whether you ask for them or not.. and it should also be the very first thing they do :)

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Here you go. Basically, if they've asked you to come in specially and it's not your normal signing day, they have to pay your expenses.. whether you ask for them or not.. and it should also be the very first thing they do :)

 

That's brill, thanks mate.

(I just hope that if they mandate us to come in every day then that DOESN'T then become a 'normal signing day' and as such they won't have to pay travel)

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Well, I signed on this morning, expecting details of this new Help To Work scheme and... nothing! Everyone signing on as normal.

 

I didn't get to see my usual decent adviser but I asked the one I saw about the scheme and she said it was all still very much 'up in the air' and all they'd been told so far by the manager was a very brief outline of what it would involve. No written guidance has yet been issued and the JC staff are as much in the dark as we are.

 

She definitely was worried about people signing on daily - not happy at all, but she said that even if customers were mandated to sign daily, once the JC were satisfied that the customer was making an effort they could then stop it after a couple of weeks. Obviously they anticipate being inundated so have this as a 'get out' action.

 

So all in all, not much further information to pass on. At least the scheme hasn't started yet - in my JC anyway.

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(I just hope that if they mandate us to come in every day then that then becomes a 'normal signing day' and as such they won't have to pay travel)

 

They mention having to pay people's expenses for the whole week in the form of a bus pass or similar. They couldn't get away with expecting people to travel in 5 days and pay it themselves.

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Just a thought, how are the jobcentre going to deal with people who have a criminal record? You can't do voluntary work without a CRB check, which if you have a criminal record means you can't do voluntary work

 

err....no....Wrong.

 

You can do voluntary work regardless of any criminal history. It is only where children and vulnerable adults are involved where CRB checks become a requirement.

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Evening all. Thought I would report back on my 'findings' today. I sign on every Thursday but at INGEUS where a JCP rep from my local JCP turns up to sign us on. My INGEUS adviser was on leave (I knew that) but had to go anyway to sign on for my JSA. The person I see is a great chap and we get on well as he knows that I am one of the genuine people that have fallen foul of the economic climate and was made redundant and doing all I can to find work.

 

Anyway, I updated him as usual and said I have a few options and just waiting for them to hopefully come to fruition which he was glad about as he said I deserve to be working and not having to go through this every 2 weeks with my background.

 

I asked him outright about this new scheme and first off he said that with my voluntary work and my good attitude there is no way I would be mandated to ever take part in this scheme and having two voluntary roles where I am using my skills shows I am serious about work and that they would never take that away from someone so they could place them on a scheme such as this.

 

He then went on to explain it was very much 'up in the air' which someone has already alluded to and there has also been some uprising and anger amongst JCP staff with their unions and management about the workability of the scheme and if it can actually work - he even went as far as to say there could be legal implications about forced mandatory labour where skills and experience are not being used and job searching activity time reduced and thus actually having a detrimental effect on the claimant and seeting them up for failure.

 

I then asked him if it was a scheme set up to annoy people enough so they sign off. He refused to answer that point but gave me a look as if to say this was the case and management have laid down targets to try and encourage this.

 

Cheekily I then asked if it would be the people that had never worked or had a bad attitude and had no intention of looking for work that would be subjected to this. He was very coy but basically said every JCP knows which 'clients' are abusing the system and have no intention of wanting to or trying to get work and that these are the people that would be in for a shock - as I call them, and I se plenty every fortnight, the dregs of society that come out of the WP or JCP and spark up and openly drink cans of beer whilst swearing and generally making a nuisance of themselves.

 

So, if you are genuine and are undertaking voluntary work and really trying I don't think you will have a problem - it seems the target is the wastes of space that every JCP has around the country - we all know who they are as we see them when we sign on.

 

For a 10 minute appointment he seemed to enjoy our chat as I was in there for 25 minutes.

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Well, I signed on this morning, expecting details of this new Help To Work scheme and... nothing! Everyone signing on as normal.

 

I didn't get to see my usual decent adviser but I asked the one I saw about the scheme and she said it was all still very much 'up in the air' and all they'd been told so far by the manager was a very brief outline of what it would involve. No written guidance has yet been issued and the JC staff are as much in the dark as we are.

 

She definitely was worried about people signing on daily - not happy at all, but she said that even if customers were mandated to sign daily, once the JC were satisfied that the customer was making an effort they could then stop it after a couple of weeks. Obviously they anticipate being inundated so have this as a 'get out' action.

 

So all in all, not much further information to pass on. At least the scheme hasn't started yet - in my JC anyway.

 

 

where about is your job centre?

 

i really dont see the job centre coping with this because there not much staff and if they do bring in more staff its gonna cost much more to the dwp etc.

 

i will find out what i get told in 2 weeks for my first after work programme appointment and my adviser is the one i use to get and shes crabbit as hell (praise the lord) aha

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Some good info there, Essexmat. I was also reading somewhere that this scheme only applies to those with 3 years+ unemployment who finish the WP after 28th April, so if that's the case a lot of us should escape it as we finished last year. So many conflicting statements in the media. We need clarification of the guidelines - and that doesn't look like happening anytime soon.

 

When I signed on today I passed the woman on reception and said as usual 'I'm just signing on'. She asked 'Are you on time?' (first time I've ever been asked this) and I said 'I'm always on time - unlike the advisers'. They must have been having a purge on latecomers, bless 'em.

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Some good info there, Essexmat. I was also reading somewhere that this scheme only applies to those with 3 years+ unemployment who finish the WP after 28th April, so if that's the case a lot of us should escape it as we finished last year. So many conflicting statements in the media. We need clarification of the guidelines - and that doesn't look like happening anytime soon.

 

When I signed on today I passed the woman on reception and said as usual 'I'm just signing on'. She asked 'Are you on time?' (first time I've ever been asked this) and I said 'I'm always on time - unlike the advisers'. They must have been having a purge on latecomers, bless 'em.

 

am not sure that is true as my cousin friend had finished is wp course couple of months ago and he has an appointment coming up for help to work scheme. so am not sure if it is true but its confusing all this help to work scheme

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