work programme after 2 years

[sillygirl1]

I would point out to them they already have failed at their intervention in your case as you still have not got employment - that would make them rather agitated!

[Tj rodgers]

Yes im dreading what my advisor is planning for me that is why im lookin for my own voluntary work so i get to choose what it will be

[Tj rodgers]

I know sumbody who finishd the work program and is a volunteer at a Sue Ryder Charity Shop and his Advisor just said that was fine but did ask him to cut it down from 4 out of the 5 week days to 3 incase guidelines change an he has to have more regular appointments at the jobcentre

[Tj rodgers]

So im going try an do the same at least then i choose what it is im doing

[eddie the wire]

Well signed on today an only 3 staff in an got told the others were on a course an when i sat down with an advisor to sign she asked me how i was gettin on told me shes makin me an intervention appointment with an advisor who was away on the course an said it was to learn how the help to work scheme can benefit customers an to learn the guidlines an how it works etc and that everybody who finished the work programme more than 26 weeks previous will eventualy have an intervention appointment to give the advisor a chance to intervene with how the customer is looking for work and look at the Help to work scheme as a way of moving forward

 

According to Citizen_x, if you were on post work programme support before April 2014 you will be staying on it and not referred to Help to Work.

 

 

3. Where the WPCI date is prior to 28 April 2014, the previous JSA Post

Work Programme Support (PWPS) guidance must be followed. "

[Tj rodgers]

According to Citizen_x, if you were on post work programme support before April 2014 you will be staying on it and not referred to Help to Work.

 

Yes but if you read further down the guidelines those who finished work programme before april 2014 do stay on post work programme support but have a review after 26 weeks of pwps and then can be put forward for MWA - Mandatory Work Activity which is very similar to the Help to work scheme

[bcham]

i finished my 2 years last September and now i am on mwa for 4 weeks clearing old derelict buildings .

[Mr.P]

Visions of abandoned Victorian industrial buildings full of asbestos, rotting floors, and collapsing roofs spring to mind - I really do hope the placement company has full liability insurance and provides sufficient protective clothing.

[jasta11]

Yes but if you read further down the guidelines those who finished work programme before april 2014 do stay on post work programme support but have a review after 26 weeks of pwps and then can be put forward for MWA - Mandatory Work Activity which is very similar to the Help to work scheme

 

I've now been on PWP for a year now and still no sign of anything different - which suits me fine, though I'm surprised I haven't been drafted into some hastily-organised 'new' scheme. I think the DWP have their hands full dealing with the new people and simply don't have the time to spare.

 

I always make sure I show far more job search evidence than required so possibly they're 'parking' me - for the moment anyway - and concentrating on the ones who aren't playing ball. Who knows how the minds of the JC work? Plus I see a really decent adviser who knows that I don't need further work experience or training so hasn't tried to push me onto anything else until it becomes compulsory. A lot of it seems to be down to pot luck at the JC; no two people are treated alike it seems.

[bcham]

Visions of abandoned Victorian industrial buildings full of asbestos, rotting floors, and collapsing roofs spring to mind - I really do hope the placement company has full liability insurance and provides sufficient protective clothing.

nothing im just wearing some old cloths and trainers.its an old hospital we are clearing out with asbestos roofing ,dont even have a mask. cant hardley see as the windows are all boarded up and theres no electric.

[caledfwlch]

Bcham, that's pretty serious!! I would be contacting your councils environmental health and the health and safety executive to report the "employer" physical labour in a building with asbestos without PPE cannot be lawful not to mention not providing stuff like steel cap boots.

 

If you receive any injurys esp something heavy landing on your foot I would sue for as much as you can get.

 

Next time you are there I would ask the manager for proof that his company has full liability insurance (I suspect an accident would cost them extremely dearly as I doubt insurance would cover injuries that could be averted by safety equipment) and what about risk assessments and safety briefings? Have you had any?

Not issuing PPE, this company and the Provider is practically asking for people to intentionally let themselves get hurt for the compensation

 

nothing im just wearing some old cloths and trainers.its an old hospital we are clearing out with asbestos roofing ,dont even have a mask. cant hardley see as the windows are all boarded up and theres no electric.

[bcham]

Bcham, that's pretty serious!! I would be contacting your councils environmental health and the health and safety executive to report the "employer" physical labour in a building with asbestos without PPE cannot be lawful not to mention not providing stuff like steel cap boots.

 

If you receive any injurys esp something heavy landing on your foot I would sue for as much as you can get.

 

Next time you are there I would ask the manager for proof that his company has full liability insurance (I suspect an accident would cost them extremely dearly as I doubt insurance would cover injuries that could be averted by safety equipment) and what about risk assessments and safety briefings? Have you had any?

Not issuing PPE, this company and the Provider is practically asking for people to intentionally let themselves get hurt for the compensation

 

theres nine placements clearing the buildings,all like me from interserve. they are going to turn the hospital in to a mosque

[Mr.P]

Bcham, that's pretty serious!! I would be contacting your councils environmental health and the health and safety executive to report the "employer" physical labour in a building with asbestos without PPE cannot be lawful not to mention not providing stuff like steel cap boots.

 

At a minimum, I would expect steel toe cap boots, gloves, and hard hat - In addition, if asbestos containing materials are present, it is a legal responsibility of the "employer" to provide instruction and training along with compliance with all other legislation. Ask, no, demand to see any/all paperwork held by the placement company regarding risk assessments, RIDDOR procedures, and first aid arrangements. If these documents are not forthcoming, raise an urgent complaint with the DWP.

 

Most definitely call the HSE on 0300 0031647 and raise the issues with them. Follow this up with a call to the local papers (I'd suggest emailing Amelia Gentleman over at the Guardian as this would certainly be of interest to her).

[bcham]

only thing is i am half way threw my placement,if i kick up a stink i will have to start another from scratch.

[Mr.P]

only thing is i am half way threw my placement,if i kick up a stink i will have to start another from scratch.

 

I'm pretty sure time served on one placement counts against another if you have to be moved.

 

Are you prepared to be used and abused and let others suffer the same fate ?

Would a serious and preventable accident have to take place before a report is made ?

What will you do if you have an accident tomorrow ?

 

You have a duty of care to yourself and others - If this "workplace" is dangerous and you are not being provided with PPE & training, it must be reported.

[Lapsed Workaholic]

Not only is Bcham running the risk of industrial injuries by not being provided with adequate basic protection he is being exposed to asbestos which makes his position life threatening for years to come as well as dangerous whilst there.

 

It would be illegal for a properly paid employee with a contract of employment who worked for a company that has to comply with health & safety laws to be made to work in the conditions described.

 

Here is an extract from an American article on asbestos exposure that highlights the seriousness of the risk Bcham is taking by continuing to attend that placement. Not only is he risking his own life he is risking the lives of all family and friends that he comes in contact with.

 

Health Risks of Exposure

Exposure to microscopic asbestos fibers can cause permanent damage to the lungs and other body organs and lead to the development of cancer. Symptoms of these diseases may not appear until 10 to 50 years after exposure has occurred.

Approximately 2,000 to 3,000 Americans are diagnosed with mesothelioma each year, and about 2,000 to 3,200 asbestos-related lung cancer deaths are recorded annually. And an estimated 200,000 people in the United States are currently living with asbestosis, an inflammatory condition of the lung tissue caused by exposure. Many other cancers and serious conditions have been linked to exposure.

 

Like plaintiffs who are directly exposed to asbestos, claimants who are injured by secondary exposure may be eligible for compensation. In order to bring a successful legal claim, they must be able to trace their exposure to a defendant who is liable for failure to warn or protect against the dangers. This usually involves investigating the work history of a family member who was exposed on the job.

 

For instance, John Panza Jr., a 40-year-old English professor, was diagnosed with mesothelioma in 2012. For more than 30 years, his father worked at a brake-producing plant where products manufactured by National Friction Products Corp. were drilled and abraded. As a child, Panza helped his father wash work clothes. In 2012, he filed a lawsuit against National Friction alleging that he inhaled fibers from the company's products that landed on his father's clothes.

 

In 2013, an Ohio jury found that National Friction was liable for Panza's illness. It ordered the company to pay Panza and his wife $27.5 million. The plaintiffs' award included $515,000 in economic damages, $12 million in non-economic damages, and $15 million for the wife's loss of consortium claim. A second trial will be held to determine whether National Friction will also be ordered to pay punitive damages.

 

Nothing should be given more consideration or priority than GETTING OUT OF THERE NOW!!!!!

[Tj rodgers]

I would make a claim now try get as much out of Dwp as possible aswel as the provider coz Dwp are supposed to have checked that the provider has the right proceedures in place

[Mr.P]

Came across an interesting little memo: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wp162-provider-memo-second-referrals-to-the-work-programme

 

It would appear that a few poor souls have been (incorrectly) mandated back on to the Work Programme - Might be worth bookmarking the memo and printing it off should anyone here be unfortunate to get a second referral.

[caledfwlch]

Bcham, I worked for a city councils building services debt mainly admin but also got to go out with surveyors testing for asbestos.

 

For invasive surveying or in a crumbling property the risk of what could happen if asbestos WAS present was so severe that employees had to effectively wear gear that is not a million miles different to the biological/chemical warfare suits Soldiers wear.

 

If the contractor and property owner sent you in knowing asbestos was present or did not do a full survey to establish if present then both are in severe faecal matter with the SHE etc and open to being sued for fortunes by anyone who attended

 

A big storm cracked open the ceiling of my living room in Leeds and on advice of landlords insurer and my manager at building services due to age of the house we had to evacuate whilst an urgent survey was done.

 

That is how serious even the possibility of Asbestos is, let alone the confirmed presence.

[bcham]

i asked the man in charge if the building was asbestos free ,and he replied yes its the adjoining building with the asbestos. and there were signs on the door reading asbestos beware.and i saw no signs of asbestos. but to me it was a shambles as no work ware were provided,only gloves. well only 2 days left.

[Tj rodgers]

i asked the man in charge if the building was asbestos free ,and he replied yes its the adjoining building with the asbestos. and there were signs on the door reading asbestos beware.and i saw no signs of asbestos. but to me it was a shambles as no work ware were provided,only gloves. well only 2 days left.

do u know what happens when you finish the work activity?

[bcham]

do u know what happens when you finish the work activity?

 

just sign on as normal ,until they find you another task to complete.

[Tj rodgers]

just sign on as normal ,until they find you another task to complete.

Yea thought so ive been doin that since i finishd work programme last July

[Tj rodgers]

Bet when Labour get in power next year it all changes again tho Lol

[Tj rodgers]

Ive noticed in my area if u find yourself sum sort of voluntary work they dnt send u to mwa as the excuse they use is its to show u have some recent work placement on your cv so doing sum voluntary work can be for the same reason