work programme after 2 years

[Chester6]

I overheard a guy getting berated and belittled for not shaving and wearing casual clothes as opposed to a suit, the he was asked about how much he spends on smoking and then the guy told him he should use that money to top his phone up so he has credit

He was also getting told how it's somehow his fault he's not working due to not tailoring cvs and stuff and that he should do more to look

[Mr.P]

I overheard a guy getting berated and belittled for not shaving and wearing casual clothes as opposed to a suit

 

Did pass comment once that the adviser should have a shave and change the brand of aftershave - Fortunately, there was a solid desk between me and her

[Chester6]

Did pass comment once that the adviser should have a shave and change the brand of aftershave - Fortunately, there was a solid desk between me and her

 

you aren't being paid to be professional

a shave??

[jasta11]

I have a simple policy - Never, ever discuss finances with anyone. The only exception is a qualified and certified financial advisor or a bank manager. WP minions and JCP advisers have little, if any knowledge of money matters and have no rights to give advice on how you spend your money.

 

Too right! I also never discuss personal stuff like interests, hobbies, etc with them - not even the nicer ones. Keep it business-like at all times; none of us are there for the pleasure of it.

 

Last advisor who asked me smugly what I did with 'all my spare time' I replied 'Oh, I meet up regularly in the evenings with your District Manager, who's an ex-Civil Service colleague and a very good friend of mine. Often your Regional Manager comes along too, another good friend'.

 

Never seen the subject changed so quickly

[antone]

I just don't get this - it would never have occurred to me to ask a claimant what they spent their money on. I suppose I was a processsor, not an FLA, but still.

 

My view was that we're all in this together.

[Chester6]

I think it's part of the idea where they pay you yto Jobseek so you must Jobseek 24/7 and you can't have hobbies or a life

It's their way of being tougher in prep for UC

 

I get this impression due to my one and a manager I made a complaint to about her

[Tj rodgers]

So as of to today the new scheme called The Help To Work Programme starts at Jobcentre Plus and Will affect anybody claiming Jsa for 2 or more years - it consists of signing on everyday or a 4 week voluntary work placement

Or upto a 6 month placement that includes a training scheme

[essexmat]

Unenforceable - I would love them to try this with me - if they do they will have a fight on their hands

[Tj rodgers]

Ive already been asked to go in weekely to see my advisor coz im on Post Work prorgram support so i guess i now go on to this new Help To Work Scheme

[essexmat]

I am 2 months in to my WP (INGEUS) so not even sure if this effects me. Bearing in mind I have 2 voluntary jobs I hope not otherwise I will need to get my fighting gear on!

[Tj rodgers]

How long do u hav to be claiming jsa before they send u to wp - it was 12 months for me so it would only effect people who hav completed 12 months at wp if its the same where u are and also people who are already doing voluntary work off their own bat will probably be excluded

[dch76]

So this has been implemented from today in EVERY jobcentre? Or has it just started being rolled out today?

[essexmat]

I claimed 6 months JSA(CB) then 6 months JSA(IB) and then was told when I went in I was on the work programme - great! Of course they have brilliant so far, what I mean is they have done NOTHING to helpme at all and it is a total waste of time

[Tj rodgers]

Yea that was the same as me so this wont affect you until you've been at wp for 12 months so that will be next feb for you so u should be safe

[essexmat]

I will be safe anyway as I won't be doing it as I have my own voluntary roles that I found myself for 3 days a week. I sort of saw this coming which is why I got in early and sorted something I wanted to do for myself rather than doing something useless for no pay.

[Tj rodgers]

So this has been implemented from today in EVERY jobcentre? Or has it just started being rolled out today?

Yes it will be in every jobcentre as of today and will affect anybody claiming jsa for 2 or more years and not currently under taking any voluntary work or training

[essexmat]

Yes it will be in every jobcentre as of today and will affect anybody claiming jsa for 2 or more years and not currently under taking any voluntary work or training

 

My advice to you all is to find yourself something YOU want to do as soon as you can, at least that way you have the upper hand

[Tj rodgers]

Thats me ringin all the local charity shops then lol

[dch76]

Thanks. Would online volunteering be accepted? There is one that really interests me about proofreading scanned texts.

Nevermind reading up on it, it seems that it is only places in the community that would be accepted. I also dont think you will be safe if you already do voluntary unless you are working 30 hours.

 

I do have a question though, I am moving to a new area in a few weeks, and am hoping to get a job not long after I move there and I am wondering one thing, if I get a temporary job and say it only lasted 3 months, what would happen if I signed back on? Would I be a new claim? I finsihed the work programme back in November 2013 and have been on the post work programme since then.

Edited April 28, 2014 by dch76

[boomboomboom]

Yes it will be in every jobcentre as of today and will affect anybody claiming jsa for 2 or more years and not currently under taking any voluntary work or training

 

Yeh was going to say if u are on the WP then u are fine after your 2years is done u then get put on to the help to work scheme

[Tj rodgers]

Yeh was going to say if u are on the WP then u are fine after your 2years is done u then get put on to the help to work scheme

yes its basicaly the same system except the Help To Work Scheme Replaces Post Work Programme Support

[Tj rodgers]

Yeh was going to say if u are on the WP then u are fine after your 2years is done u then get put on to the help to work scheme

had my appointment today and yes i have 4 weeks to either find my own voluntary work for a charity or if i cnt find any i go on help to work placement under the mandatory work scheme which will be 30 hours per week for 4-6 weeks either in a charity shop/ tescos either bag packing or litter picking in the carpark or at local recycling plant picking objects out of rubbish as it comes down the line but you dnt get to choose which as they just send u on the first available placement

[essexmat]

So basically you are going to be treated as a criminal on community service? This is an utter disgrace and I am genuinely angered by this. How low can the people who make these rules get in setting people up to not only fail but to be reduced to nothing more than a piece of sh*t on the road side.

 

What I would be doing now is visiting somewhere in your community that may need help and somewhere YOU want to work at and asking them if you can help out.

 

I am genuinely upset for you and others who will be sunjected to this sort of treatment.

[ismael urzaiz]

quick question, whilst you're on this 30 hour slavery are you still supposed to do work search ujm etc etc ?

[essexmat]

I think I read that you still have to do 10 hours job searches and of course if you get an interview and go to it you will be sanctioned for not attending your slave labour at the dump of JCP choice

 

As for UJM, don't bother, it is not fit for ANY purpose