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      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
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      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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The original CoA is the default date IMO.

 

it's the earliest time at which an actuin could be brought - Reeves v Butcher [1891] 2 QB 509. This is usually the point of default as you say - which contractually may not be the point in which a payment is missed but the point in which a claimant can first commence action. Take, for example, most credit agreements - they usually require a couple of missed payments which will then trigger the default process.

 

As an aside, a creditor cannot prevent the cause of action from commencing by never servicing a default notice etc, the cause of action will always be whatever's written in to the terms and conditions.

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The Court of Appeal’s decision is both pragmatic and

commercially sound. The Agreement, like many others,

stated that the balance became due upon termination. If the

Agreement had been regulated by the CCA, termination is

subject to the lender serving (where appropriate) a notice under

the CCA (most commonly a default notice or, for non-default

cases, a combined enforcement and termination notice). Notice

is specifically required before a lender can become entitled to

(amongst other things) demand “earlier payment of any sum”.

If the Court of Appeal had come to any other conclusion it

would have been contrary to the wording of the CCA. This

envisages that the balance does not become due (and cannot

be demanded as being due) until after the expiry of the notice

period. The Court of Appeal’s decision can also be used in

appropriate circumstances by lenders wanting to stop the

limitation period running. It seems clear that, subject to an

argument that the lender has affirmed the agreement by not

taking steps to accept a debtor’s repudiation, termination could

be delayed until the end of the term of the agreement. This

would allow lenders to delay (most obviously where the debtor

is in a difficult financial position or cannot be located) issuing

proceedings until the last moment, like BMWFS did, and avoid

being time-barred.

 

This is interesting, as the OFT have made it very clear that the actual 'default' process is regarded as a procedural bar and can be disregarded if a creditor never sends out the notice when they were supposed to as per the contract. It's been a while since I've looked in to this area, I really need to read that case by all accounts :)

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FYI, the whole procedural bar argument stems from Swansea City Council v Glass [1992] 2 All ER 680 and Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea v Khan [2002] EWCA Civ 279. The OFT letter was dated 28.5.98 so pretty old! As far as CCA defaults are concerned the argument of procedural bar is cited by Guest & Lloyd in the Encyclopedia of Consumer Credit Law (Sweet & Maxwell at 2-088)

 

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Any monies paid after a debt are treated as gifted and are not recoverable.

 

In Scotland there may be an arguement to have the payments returned as the debt is extinguished and therefore doesn't exist anymore.

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