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Hi, Can some one please explain schedule 3 of esa regulations also 34(1),(2) in simple and plain terms

Many thanks for help

 

Basically, in simple terms, in order to be put in the support group you need to satisfy at least one of the descriptors in schedule 3 for the majority of the time. Does that help?

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Thanks estellyn, for help I am so much confused with this tribunal business stressed like hell.

Trying to get all info. for my coming tribunal. I have unstable/uncontroble angina 3rd stage heart failure uncotroable blood pressuer and same with diabetic and I am in wrag

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Thanks estellyn, for help I am so much confused with this tribunal business stressed like hell.

Trying to get all info. for my coming tribunal. I have unstable/uncontroble angina 3rd stage heart failure uncotroable blood pressuer and same with diabetic and I am in wrag

 

No problem we're here to help. What grounds are you appealling to be in the support group?

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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Unstable angina, heart failure on last stage, no vision in right eye, low vision in left eye due to diabetic hamr.

Blood pressure not under control ( I take all known drug to control 13 tab. a day just for blood pressure)

diabetic 3 different injection 3 times a day total 9 injection a day

six different eye drops (every one hour different drops)

high cholesterol

you can imagine side effects with all this cocktail of drugs

aha and now have kidney issue is well waiting for hospital appo.

I am trying to work out what to put in my statement

Any help will be good thanks

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Hello uday and guys.

 

Is anyone able to post up a link to the Support Group descriptors please?

 

Uday, listing your symptoms/diagnoses isn't enough for Atos/DWP. I know you shouldn't need to, but you have to spell out what effect all your illnesses and side effects have on your daily life and how this prevents you working. That's how you build up the point score.

 

My best, HB

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Hello uday and guys.

 

Is anyone able to post up a link to the Support Group descriptors please?

 

Uday, listing your symptoms/diagnoses isn't enough for Atos/DWP. I know you shouldn't need to, but you have to spell out what effect all your illnesses and side effects have on your daily life and how this prevents you working. That's how you build up the point score.

 

My best, HB

Many thanks HB,

When I sent my esa50 I did explain my illness and side effects I had no f2f with ATOS doctor at ATOS use old med 3 this was sent in 1995 I have explain the lot and also reading of DM notes dwp have not received copy of esa50 from ATOS

I have sent copy of letter from my heart specialist to G.P which clearly said I can not walk more the 10

it is stress full also I am in CB WRAG went for interview at job centre plus given me appot. after eighteen months but my benefit will stop after 12 months do not know why I have to see job center plus if no benefit is being paid

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Thank you for that.

 

Just so I'm clear, and I apologise for being thick, you want to move from the WRAG to the Support Group? When were you put in the WRAG please?

 

HB

Thanks HB

I was put on WRAG in december2012 sent GL24 in dec 2012 got replay on 10-02-2013 waiting for tribunal date

Once again many thanks for help

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I know its a stressful time, but please remember that the tribunal are not the dwp or atos, they are independent, and as Honeybee has said, if you explain how your illnesses affect you every day and use the evidence of diagnosis to back up that you have them illnesses, you will get a fair hearing. Honeybee gives good advice.

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It sounds as if your best bet is a two pronged approach - firstly show that you cannot mobilise more than 50 metres (you will need to explain why you can't wheel yourself in a wheelchair, which given heart problems I wouldn't expect you to be able to). Secondly to try and show that being found fit for work related activity will make your illnesses significantly worse.

 

As honeybee says, just listing your illnesses doesn't make any impact on the DWP or Tribunal panel - you need to show that you fit a support group descriptor, an exemption or that being found able to do work related activity (being in WRAG) will make your health worse.

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2 pronged approach as said is good idea. You need to hit home things like what happens when you try to walk more than 10 metres. Do you feel exhausted , dizzy from breathlessness , do you ever fall over because of it , do you have to rest before moving another 10 metres, or are you wiped out at 10.

 

Think about the difficulties you experience each day just living your daily life. Maybe make a list to remind you, then decide which ones are relevant to the Support Group descriptor you're appealing for and which are relevant to the exceptional substantial risk clause, and rule out minor things which don't really count..

 

EG. Needing 9 injections doesn't meet a SG descriptor as such but could be relevant to building a case for the exceptional circumstances if you can show it would be impossible for you to safely manage your blood sugar control in a work environment. But you'd need to explain why, eg maybe nausea or sickness shortly after eating which can be a symptom in some people with advanced heart failure.

 

Honestly, sometimes the decisions made by the DWP leave me completly baffled.

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no vision in right eye, low vision in left eye due to diabetic hamr.

 

There's criteria about not being able to communicate, including reading. Can you read? If you use aids, do these help? I have completely different vision problems, (I have vision but am colour blind and my vision varies depending on how tired I am) and argued that a) large print isn't always large enough and (can just about read font size 16 now) b) aids don't work. (my condition means that I get tired easily)

 

There are two criteria about communication - relaying a message to someone else and being able to follow instructions so that you know (for example) where a fire exit is. There is also criteria about getting around outside safely due to sensory impairment.

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There's criteria about not being able to communicate, including reading. Can you read? If you use aids, do these help? I have completely different vision problems, (I have vision but am colour blind and my vision varies depending on how tired I am) and argued that a) large print isn't always large enough and (can just about read font size 16 now) b) aids don't work. (my condition means that I get tired easily)

 

There are two criteria about communication - relaying a message to someone else and being able to follow instructions so that you know (for example) where a fire exit is. There is also criteria about getting around outside safely due to sensory impairment.

Thanks Nystagmite, I also have two hearing aids and still can not hear so I shall use my vision and hearing issue as well as othe health problems I do have again many thanks

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