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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Hi all,

recieved a reply from HBOS regarding ouyr SAR and CCA request. They state that they want our signatures. So my wife and i have returned with printed names. i know HBOS can be funny with printed names as well. posted below for you to see

 

 

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Why this is a lawful request for personal data made under an Act of Parliament there is NO point in not signing for it.

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Hi Brigadier,

I know its a time wasting excercise from what i have read about. I was kicking myself cause i read up another thread. And i should of sent one of your letters you had written up for another memeber. Ahh well its done now.

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Hi Brigadier,

I know its a time wasting excercise from what i have read about. I was kicking myself cause i read up another thread. And i should of sent one of your letters you had written up for another memeber. Ahh well its done now.

 

Hi this is one of the very old myths that just wont go away, with holding a sig. just delays the production of the data you probably need quite urgently.

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Hi Brigadier,

I know its a time wasting excercise from what i have read about. I was kicking myself cause i read up another thread. And i should of sent one of your letters you had written up for another memeber. Ahh well its done now.

 

Some people have a genuine fear of providing a signature because they are worried it will be lifted and used elsewhere. As Brig says, this is a bit of a myth where banks are concerned. However, you could always sign and then make a slight alteration to your signature. Enough so that you would spot any attempt at forgery but not so much that anyone else would notice it.

 

 

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Hi LTK,

yes i know it worries me when i heard about it. Better safe than sorry though. Got a feeling they will bounce the returned signatures as they are totally different to our originals.But will wait and see

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My personal opinion is that many lenders have a number of 'hoops' they will make you jump through. These hoops get progressively smaller as you get nearer to your target.

 

There are thousands, if not millions, of people out there who are making payments on non-existent or unenforceable agreements. If all these people were clued-up it would cost the banks billions. We know it and the banks know it.

 

Lenders who have kept their houses in order should have no problem providing copies of agreements and would happily do so at the first request - because they have nothing to fear. They can say, "Here it is, we have done it right, pay us the money". Such lenders are few and far between.

 

The vast majority have NOT kept their houses in order. They have used unlawful agreements, lost (misfiled) agreements, and generally paid too much attention to grabbing the profits without doing things properly.

 

These lenders build-in 'processes' to make it difficult for us to get to the truth. They employ well paid legal experts to make things as difficult as possible for debtors to get to the facts whilst staying within the letter of the law. They find new delaying tactics continually and the demand for a 'check-able' signature is just one of them. They site 'data protection' as being the reason for it BUT strangely enough, don't apply such rules to the issuing of other paperwork which is also sensitive. I have never heard of a lender writing to a debtor and saying, "Just send us confirmation of your signature so we can set a debt collector on you".

 

So, the signature trick is just an early 'hoop'. Once we get our heads around how they work we can counter it. These tricks and tactics only work with the people who give up. Ultimately, the law is on our side. If it wasn't there would be no need for such tactics.

 

Thanks for reading my rant and good luck.

 

 

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Hi Everyone,

Finally recieved my CCa from HBOS. They have sent me a reconstituted version without a signature. They were keen to point out that this reconstitued one is regulation 3(2)(b) "providedes that a copy can omit any signature box, signature or date of signature. In summary we are not required to produce a copy wqith your signature on it." Also that they have requested a copy of the original from the relevant department to comply with your section 60/61 request. Could someone please have a read of letter they wrote and give me there opinion.

 

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OK. The have sent you a reconstituted copy of the agreement that they say complies with S.78 so this must be a credit card. It seems that they are going to send you a copy of the original as well - very good of them.

 

Let's wait and see what you end up with and then we can have a proper look.

 

How old is the debt?

When did you last make a payment on it?

Is it defaulted?

Is it on your Credit Reference Agency files?

 

If you want to post your agreement on here (anonymously of course) we can have a look at it. There are much cleverer people than me on here who can help.

 

Just a word to the wise on your last posted documents: It is important that you don't actually alter or block-out on the originals in case you need them as evidence later. Scan them and use Microsoft Paint to hide your personal info before you post them. Keep the original ones unmarked.

 

This nonsense about claims management companies is because they recognised your CCA request letter as a template. They don't like the idea of people getting clued-up on their rights. :wink: :wink:

 

 

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Why must this be a credit card because of a section 78 CCA '74 request????

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hi LTK,

The debt defaulted in 2006.

 

I joined Payplan and they took over the runnning of my debts.

have been paying them pro rota ever since.

 

The defaults have dropped off my CRA file due to 6 years rule.

 

The orginals are all intact i only scan and then paint them afterwards like you suggested.

 

The debt is credit card around £15k.

 

have posted the agreement they have sent me below:

 

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hi LTK,

The debt defaulted in 2006. I joined Payplan and they took over the runnning of my debts. have been paying them pro rota ever since. The defaults have dropped off my CRA file due to 6 years rule. The orginals are all intact i only scan and then paint them afterwards like you suggested. The debt is credit card around £15k. have posted the agreement they have sent me below:

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]41377[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]41378[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]41379[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]41380[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]41381[/ATTACH]

 

gchads

 

Right, received some and lots more still to come.

 

Presumably you had a plan when you sent these requests so what are you hoping to achieve?

 

 

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Hi there,

recieved my SAR request returned because i would not sign it. I have printed my name. They are citing DPA 1998 Section 7.1sub section (2), (1), (3). They are asking me to write in confirming a local branch where i confirm my identity and collect SAR. What should i do?? I have posted letter below.

 

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Hi there,

recieved my SAR request returned because i would not sign it. I have printed my name. They are citing DPA 1998 Section 7.1sub section (2), (1), (3). They are asking me to write in confirming a local branch where i confirm my identity and collect SAR. What should i do?? I have posted letter below.

 

gchads

 

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I think you will find my answer to that in post number 5 (above)

 

 

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No danger at all in my opinion. You are just collecting information as is your right under statute. If they ask for as signature at the branch, in your place, I would sign. If you still don't feel comfortable with this, do a slightly different signature to your normal one.

 

 

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What is all this about ''Danger'' you are making a lawful request for information under an Act of Parliament, sign the SAR if you want the information or go to the branch and collect it.

 

In all my year dealing with SARs and CCAs I have NEVER seen any proof of ''lifting of signatures'' carrying on this way is wasting yours and everyone elses time.

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Hi there,

i understand what you mean Brigadier. I have sent letter back stating i will pick SAR up at local branch. as to the reconsituted CCA they have sent me, what is my next course of action? shall i stop the pro rota payment to them?

 

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Hi Everyone,

We have received 3 replies to CCA requests from HBOS so far. They are stating they have sent copies of original documents not originals. Couple of things that stand out, one signature is totally different to mine. Also there are no dates signed on the agreement, dont know if that will make a difference. On the back of agreement they have photocopied 1 side of the T&C. Seems a bit small and out of keeping with the other side. Dont know whether this is a doctored copy of CCA or original. I have scanned and posted below for everyone too see and make up their own minds. Your advice is really appreciated.

 

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Hi Everyone,

We have received 3 replies to CCA requests from HBOS so far. They are stating they have sent copies of original documents not originals. Couple of things that stand out, one signature is totally different to mine. Also there are no dates signed on the agreement, dont know if that will make a difference. On the back of agreement they have photocopied 1 side of the T&C. Seems a bit small and out of keeping with the other side. Dont know whether this is a doctored copy of CCA or original. I have scanned and posted below for everyone too see and make up their own minds. Your advice is really appreciated.

 

gchads

 

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Are Ts & Cs supplied with the documents complete and easily readable, the creditor is NOT going to send you any original documents btw.

 

This looks like an attempt to produce a reconstituted agreement, and not agood one if the Ts & Cs are not complete and the signature is not easily recognised as yours then this fails to meet section 77/78 CCA '74 requirements.

 

Would you like me to draft a lettee for you to rebut the banks claim??

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