been suspended for fraud and theft

[Emmzzi]

Tell the truth. Only the truth leave theories and opinions out f the room. Good luck!

[renegadeimp]

Emmzzi has it spot on. Nothing more can be said.

[notamug]

Cheers guys so u saying if I have an opinion on how the discrepancies happened not to say yer

[renegadeimp]

Just tell the truth, answer whatever they ask clearly and fully. One thing i have to advise is do NOT start rambling or going off on a tangent unless it confirms what you have already been saying. They will take this as you are making excuses or fabricating a story.

 

Stick to emmzzi's good advice.

[notamug]

Attended this today its regarding a drink for 2.90 I was phyiscally threatened one night in work raised a grievence which has not been upheld after being threatened I walked out of work it had past my finishing time. This drink I had served and put onto till system obviously to find out amount to charge this sale was not finalised or cashed off before I left the building.

[notamug]

Might also be worth submitting a grievance on the grounds that you believe the impartiality of any proceedings might be adversely affected by the previous events and the involvement of the manager concerned.

 

Tried this with a pre written statement was told if you get up and leave I will contact hr and stop paying you as you have to answer these questions.

 

Also many points or things I stated were not written down although I have recorded it on mobile

[Emmzzi]

I don't understand post 30. Can you try again with more detail please?

 

When you get the notes of the discussion be sure and add in the parts that have been missed!

[notamug]

Can I reveal I have recorded it

[Sidewinder]

Can I reveal I have recorded it

 

Not a good idea - fundamental breach of trust is not the way to go. Just refer to what was said at this stage and query any missing bits in the notes as appropriate. Of course should they deny any missing pieces then that may open the way for you to indicate that they are 'mistaken' as you will be able to quote word for word what was said.

[notamug]

Many thanks for that my answer was if I did not intend charging for it then why would I have put it on till system

[fletch70]

Seems incredibly petty for 2.90 and surely they would have to show intent. How long have you worked there?

[notamug]

7 months my partner blew whistle on the place and ever since ive had all this 2 disciplinaeies he dismissed me this was immediatly overturned by hr and now this disciplinary also a grievence which has not been upheld. Its all this one blokes doing hes come into business as new manager I have never worked a shift with him. Its obvious he wants me out but im going to fight this

[fletch70]

It's a bugger you have only been there 7 months.

[renegadeimp]

Wait Is this manager that is disciplining you the manager you have had issues with? If so, you can request to HR/Senior management that you feel that he is not a fit person to conduct the interviews due to your background with him.

[notamug]

Wait Is this manager that is disciplining you the manager you have had issues with? If so, you can request to HR/Senior management that you feel that he is not a fit person to conduct the interviews due to your background with him.

 

I.attemped this yesterday with him and he threatened to stop my suspension pay as I stated I had no comment to make and questioned his impatiability he accused me of delaying proceeding and refusing to copperate all on tape x x

[renegadeimp]

No. DOnt talk to that manager, go as high as you can and tell them why he is unfit to conduct the interview. It is nothing to do with him. You have the legal right to ask for another manager to conduct it. Especially if this manager is being abusive and has a personal vendetta against you.

[notamug]

He will pass it to somebody else to make disciplinary decision but he is the one whonhas gathered evidence and built this hideous case

[renegadeimp]

That my point. You NEED to go as high as you can and ask for a reinvestigation, as you have reasont o believe this evidence hs been fabricated by a manager who has a vendetta against you. If your company is even remotely decent, they will assign another manager to check over the entire evidence.

[notamug]

Where would I sent this that request was refused yestetday. He is the pub manager dont know anyone higher. Shall I hold off and see if I get invited to disciplinsry baring in mind that yesterday was investigation meeting as he didnt proceed with last investigation

[renegadeimp]

If hes the manager, go to the regional manager, or even head office.

 

Just remember, the longer you leave it, the more chance you have at him sacking you. If you notify senior management before hand of everything that has gone on, then you have some comeback.

[notamug]

I have had to speak to hr policy team due to non payment told them of my concerns and how ive been suspended for last month now the third investigation and they told me and I quote we only need reasonable belief that you were stealing and our policy is dismissal how much higher can I go.

 

Its all a joke, have already done the basics

[notamug]

If I get invited to a discipliary for fraud and theft initailly I am requesting an extension of time as company policy is I can request a postponement of 5 days to prepare defence in this time if I said about his vandetta and impartiabillity would they have to restart investigation with new investigating manager

[renegadeimp]

They wouldnt restart it but if you have evidence to support the accusation, they are obliged to bring in another manager, who will meet both you and the manager who is accusing you, and they will go over the evidence independently.

 

When i was a union rep for the largest meat processor in the UK a couple of years ago, we had 2 managers who were very vindictive against a bulgarian worker. The worker was a fantastic worker, always commended by his supervisors and other staff, the managers however chose to pick apart his work. We ended up escalating it through 3 tiers of management before it actually got independently reviewed.

 

After a 6 month battle, the 2 managers got dismissed for various reasons, and last time i heard (3 months ago) the bulgarian worker is now a full supervisor working to become a line manager.

 

This just shows that a lot of the time, its how you deal with things to get results. The last thing you want to do is be vindictive back as it defeats the purpose of you getting higher help in the first place.

[notamug]

But the bottom line is my partner dealt with the higher people he blew the whistle on food saftey and the company got penalized resulting in new management since then my partner has left the business and now the new manager is trying to get me out as he sees me as a threat (my opinion) yes I got hr to get me reinstated after he emails me dismissing me but since then they have been no help I told them today im not happy with the investigation and I quoted the responce above how much higher can I go

[renegadeimp]

If you dont get anywhere with senior management, including escalating it to head office, i suggest you see if theres a union you can join ( which ideally should have been joined a while ago). They will strip everything down and put it side by side by the law.

 

It would be far better using a union rep with access to professional employment solicitors and access to independant sources, than trying to deal with this by yourself. Especially when it seems the management dont care.

 

If you choose not to join a union and get representation, and management dont want to listen, then sadly, you may have to look for employment elsewhere. To bring an unfair dismissal claim, iirc you now have to be employed for 12 months.

 

You seem to have a good case as the manager is clearly harassing you because of your relationship towards your partner who used to have a job there.

 

Also, i re-read your posts. You claim head office brought in new management, this would seem that they know there was an underlying issue and thoughtthey removed it. Perhaps if you take it as high as you can and explain what is happening, they will see it your way. Whatever you do, you need to cover your bases.