Penalty Fare Notice Appeal

[irfan]

My friend is issued a penalty fare notice on Elstree & Borehamwood station run under the First Capital Connect when he lost his ticket and was unable to show it to the RPO to cross the barriers. The Penalty fare was of 20 pounds but he paid only 5 pounds and given all the correct information on demand like name, adress, DOB etc

 

now the question is whether he should pay the rest of penalty fare or should contest the notice?

 

he got the following evidence to prove himself that he bought a valid ticket that day.

 

1) Bank Statement showing the exact amount deducted by the First capital connect that day.

2) Machine used for purchasing the ticket was right infront of CCTV and could clearly be seen.

3) Some previously bought tickets for the same destination, time & from the same machine.

4) Character certificate with clean record.

 

how likely will he be successful if he appeal to IPFAS on the above mentioned basis.

Edited January 18, 2013 by irfan

[firstclassx]

My friend is issued a penalty fare notice on Elstree & Borehamwood station run under the First Capital Connect when he lost his ticket and was unable to show it to the RPO to cross the barriers. The Penalty fare was of 20 pounds but he paid only 5 pounds and given all the correct information on demand like name, adress, DOB etc

 

now the question is whether he should pay the rest of penalty fare or should contest the notice?

 

he got the following evidence to prove himself that he bought a valid ticket that day.

 

1) Bank Statement showing the exact amount deducted by the First capital connect that day.

2) Machine used for purchasing the ticket was right infront of CCTV and could clearly be seen.

3) Some previously bought tickets for the same destination, time & from the same machine.

4) Character certificate with clean record.

 

how likely will he be successful if he appeal to IPFAS on the above mentioned basis.

 

Pay the Penalty Fare.

I wouldn't even consider an appeal.

 

Not down to First Capital Connect to look after the tickets you buy!

 

£20 is a bargain compared to what FCC usually do.

[irfan]

Thanks for reply.

 

so you means that these evidence are not enough to prove his purchase of the ticket?

[firstclassx]

Thanks for reply.

 

so you means that these evidence are not enough to prove his purchase of the ticket?

 

The Penalty Fare isn't for failing to purchase a ticket. It is for failing to SHOW a valid ticket.

 

They aren't saying you didn't pay, they are saying you were unable to show a ticket, there and then, proving that.

[Nystagmite]

Thanks for reply.

 

so you means that these evidence are not enough to prove his purchase of the ticket?

 

For all they know, he could have purchased a ticket for someone else / a different day.

[honeybee13]

For all they know, he could have purchased a ticket for someone else / a different day.

 

That's a good point, Nystagmite. One of the fare evasion tactics that has been mentioned on the forum is that two people buy one ticket between them and then one of them claims to have lost theirs. Receipts could be made to show anything really.

 

HB

[honeybee13]

Irfan, I have an unrelated question please.

 

I thought I remembered your name and found your thread from last year. I just wondered how you got on?

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?297749-Notice-of-intention-to-prosecute-plz-help.&p=3329695#post3329695

 

HB

[Old-CodJA]

Exactly so, and one of the reasons that a receipt cannot be used for travel.

[BazzaS]

Subbing, to follow this thread, and the previous one HB has cited, with interest ........

[honeybee13]

Nice to see you back on the forum Bazza. Rare day off?

 

HB

[BazzaS]

Nice to see you back on the forum Bazza. Rare day off?

 

HB

 

Just (mostly!) keeping out of trouble / snow effects!