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I have a question and I will appreciate any suggestions ( I won my tribunal case) but the tribunal says its beyond their jursdiction to look into the forgrey of documents. I felt justice somehow has not be served therefore I felt that this organisation need to be exposed.!!!!!!!! I have a valid and damaging proof !!!!!!

 

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Forgery in what way? Potentially criminal?


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Civil Suit ?

 

Very expensive from my experience, proving fraud is not easy and I would suggest not to be attempted by a litigant in person.

 

We need to know the ''nature '' of the forgery.


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The main Document that was relied upon ( complaint letter ) was not written nor sent by the assumed client.

It was written by my Line Manager ( unfortunately forget to change the addressing format to reflect that it was sent / written by the client)

 

It was exctaly same addressing format on the Company letter head paper, same fonts, same indetation. etc ( I copied both addressing on to overhead projector film paper and compared both together by placing them above each other,) it matched 100%

 

The client address was on the wrong side, suppose to be on the right while the company address was on the wrong side suppose to be on the left side ( if it was written / sent by the client)

In conclusion, with the addressing method. it was the company writing to the client not the client writing to the company!!!!!!

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If this ''letter'' deliberately prepared for us as evidence to pervert the course justice, my feeling the Tribunal Judge should report this to the police.


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the complaint letter was used .-------...for disciplinary,------ termination of employment for gross miconduct and referal to my professional body. Although all cases was won as i was found not in breach of any conduct. But tribunal stated that it was not within their domain to investigate the document.

Its obvious that the complaint letter was made up.

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You won your tribunal so take that win and move on with your life.

 

I don't see the point in taking this further even if you did have a valid claim.

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WHY, there is wrong doing here!!


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WHY, there is wrong doing here!!

 

I agree that there is wrong doing here and perhaps there are ways others than court to deal with it.

 

I presume that the line manager is now subject to gross misconduct by their employers for producing a fake document. They should have been dismissed after the appropriate disciplinary meetings were held.

 

I would write to the owner/CEO/MD of the business asking them to consider what compensation they are willing to offer due to the way you were treated. But they may not respond or just say that the appropriate compensation was decided by the tribunal, so would not wish to comment further. They will want to protect themselves. If this is the case, you might want to contact solicitors that specialise in employment claims and see if they are willing to take this on, as a no win no fee or fixed fee case.


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thank you all for the contribution, although the most annoying thing is that the manager is still working in same dept, I was working in health sector, have my head screwed on !!!!!! would have been on higher grades, but due to termination of my employment might take longer to be on same grade again.

 

Nothing much but the injustice of how I was treated knowing that the organistion knew that accusation was false.....anyway thank you will decide if to purse this or not !!!!!!!

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I would write to the owner/CEO/MD of the business asking them to consider what compensation they are willing to offer due to the way you were treated. But they may not respond or just say that the appropriate compensation was decided by the tribunal, so would not wish to comment further.

 

 

You have answered you own questions. The matter was dealt with at the tribunal.

 

Perjury is a criminal offence so not really a matter for the OP as at the end of the day the outcome of his claim was not affected.

 

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/perjury/

 

 

 

 

If this is the case, you might want to contact solicitors that specialise in employment claims and see if they are willing to take this on, as a no win no fee or fixed fee case.

 

 

What solicitor would take on that claiim? On what basis is the OP going to sue? What loss has he suffered?

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thank you all for the contribution, although the most annoying thing is that the manager is still working in same dept, I was working in health sector, have my head screwed on !!!!!! would have been on higher grades, but due to termination of my employment might take longer to be on same grade again.

 

Nothing much but the injustice of how I was treated knowing that the organistion knew that accusation was false.....anyway thank you will decide if to purse this or not !!!!!!!

 

Maybe you have grounds to sue for defamation, given the last sentence posted above, if statement(s) made against you and published to another party were known to be untrue or if the maker of such statement did not care as to the truth of it, then defamation malicious falsehood.

 

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You haven't suffered any loss from the forgery so it would be pointless to issue a civil claim. Unless you have suffered some sort of loss due to the forgery, or some sort of stain on your reputation but not just within your former employer I also think a defamation claim would be a little pointless. Forgery is a criminal offence so you could report it to the police, but realistically I doubt the police will want to get involved given you have already been through a tribunal process.

 

You say there was a referral to a professional body. Surely your manager is subject to the same professional body. I assume that body will be interested in dishonesty - perhaps worth making a written complaint to them? Make sure you provide them with all the proof they need, don't just make bare accusations without evidence.


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You haven't suffered any loss from the forgery so it would be pointless to issue a civil claim. Unless you have suffered some sort of loss due to the forgery, or some sort of stain on your reputation but not just within your former employer I also think a defamation claim would be a little pointless. Forgery is a criminal offence so you could report it to the police, but realistically I doubt the police will want to get involved given you have already been through a tribunal process.

 

You say there was a referral to a professional body. Surely your manager is subject to the same professional body. I assume that body will be interested in dishonesty - perhaps worth making a written complaint to them? Make sure you provide them with all the proof they need, don't just make bare accusations without evidence.

 

 

I think it would probably be perjury, not forgery, but in any event I agree that it would be pointless.

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