Obesity: Fat People Could Face Benefit Cuts

[Nystagmite]

I know some of the supermarkets have packs of veg for a £1 but one pack of carrots, is not much use and a £1 is a lot out of JSA for a bag of veg still need stuff to go with it.

 

That veg will also go off very quickly.

[RaeUK]

Indeed. In the main, frozen veg is far fresher and better for you.

[arianna22]

its a fact when you start doing exercise you start feeling good about yourself especially when you notice that weight coming off .you get more energy and you start thinking i.m starting to look good people are comiting on your weight lose and you feel brill about it you start to eat healthy again and your depression starts to improve big time .i.ve seen this with my sister after having her to girls with my brother and is partner who was over weight and the docs recommended the gym they then went on to boxer size and had great fun.why knock something until you try it. if your on benefits you can get into the gym really cheap anyway . few years ago me my mother and sister we started going to a line dance weight lose programme all sizes was there you had food advice aswell and we had a brilliant time.the woman who run it was skinny but before that she was over 20 stone after her first child and one day she said she had enough she could barely do anything apart from eat she started looking into healthy eating and excercise.she lost the weight but wrong exercise as was left with flabby skin this the reason she started the club and it took off so well with people we couldn.t get a room big enough for us 50p we paid a session.i.d recommend it cause your energy levels improve so much you want to get off your backside and work and do something with your life instead of sitting at home and watching tv .

[fletch70]

Oh where to start.

I agree with so much of what arianna says, just the comment about cheap gyms if you are on benefits. That isn't true round here and i guess will become less and less true as cuts bite.

San d. i am not sure if i would call bodybuilders athletes. but that isn't really the issue. As suggested before the only real way to lose fat is a lifestyle change,eat a better diet and exercise more.

Well done for losing weight, i do think that quoting parts of reports does muddy the waters as the full context is lost. It is widely agreed that crash diets are bad and the ultra thin do lose muscle etc,look at Karen Carpenter. Losing your belly is notoriously hard to do,keep at it in a sensible way and target muscle toning of the mid section.

Sensible diets and exercise are the way forward. That in my opinion is linked to education,affordability and stop the growth of capitalism. In the same breath i disagree at a basic level of legislation to ban unhealthy food.

[fletch70]

Double post

[Nystagmite]

Exercise isn't always good for you. I am a runner. Last year, I had approximately 4 months out injured...

[Lilly_Monroe]

NO cheap gyms anywhere near were I live.

Anyway if I was well enough to go to a gym I would be well enough to work.

Try telling the DWP why you are well enough to go a gym, and not well enough to look for work.

Plus transport costs (we do not all live within walking distance of a gym).

I think we have got to stop preaching to people, what works for one does not mean it will work others.

We all know (well most of us) that we do need some exercise in our lives.

Just as those who smoke and drink heavily know the risks.

The more you are forced/made to do something the more you resist is how I view it.

[Nystagmite]

But if DWP argued being fit for going to gym = fit for work, then you'd argue that you only go there once a week or whatever. Therefore, it's unreasonable to suggest that you could work for 37.5 hours a week.

[Lilly_Monroe]

But if DWP argued being fit for going to gym = fit for work, then you'd argue that you only go there once a week or whatever. Therefore, it's unreasonable to suggest that you could work for 37.5 hours a week.

 

When did they ever understand logic:wink:

Be an interesting angle for someone to argue mind.

[Mother's Little Helper]

how much overweight do you have to be to be obese.

 

How Jewish did you have to be to be persecuted? The decision was made by the perscutors.

[Surfer01]

I eat oat porridge for breakfast, sandwich for lunch with salad or meat on and for dinner meant and salad or veg and no potatoes. Nothing in between. I drink J2O, caffeine free Cocal cola, and de-decaffeinated coffee. On a weekend I may have 2 or if I am daring 3 beers.

I have been eating like this for about 6 months and have lost about 6 kg and I am still 24kgs over weight. I do not exercise very much as with RA it can be very painful and I suffer from back spasms for hours afterwards.

How can any one penalise some one who tries to eat the correct stuff but cannot shed the pounds due to their medication?

[Nystagmite]

Indeed. They make it sound so easy.

 

If they're going to force obese people to lose weight in exchange for benefits, are they also going to force those with eating disorders to gain weight in order to claim benefits?

 

Whilst I'm all for encouraging people to seek help, I do not believe that forcing them to do something is the answer.

[Surfer01]

If they're going to force obese people to lose weight in exchange for benefits, are they also going to force those with eating disorders to gain weight in order to claim benefits?

 

Good point. I wonder if this thought had even crossed their tiny minds?

[estellyn]

I eat oat porridge for breakfast, sandwich for lunch with salad or meat on and for dinner meant and salad or veg and no potatoes. Nothing in between. I drink J2O, caffeine free Cocal cola, and de-decaffeinated coffee. On a weekend I may have 2 or if I am daring 3 beers.

I have been eating like this for about 6 months and have lost about 6 kg and I am still 24kgs over weight. I do not exercise very much as with RA it can be very painful and I suffer from back spasms for hours afterwards.

How can any one penalise some one who tries to eat the correct stuff but cannot shed the pounds due to their medication?

 

The paleo diet has been shown to be very effective for RA - but it means giving up oats, bread and beer...

[estellyn]

Indeed. They make it sound so easy.

 

If they're going to force obese people to lose weight in exchange for benefits, are they also going to force those with eating disorders to gain weight in order to claim benefits?

 

Whilst I'm all for encouraging people to seek help, I do not believe that forcing them to do something is the answer.

 

The fact is, that this is about prejudice and discrimination of the obese. Excessively thin people are mostly admired for their ability to be really thin. I've even heard colleagues comment that they wish they had the willpower of an anorexic. This isn't a policy suggestion about trying to do the best for people's health, or it would be far ranging. No, this comes from a hatred and disgust of the obese, combined with some typical stupid idea that obese people on benefits are 'sitting around stuffing their faces'.

 

The more I think about it, the more I believe this isn't even anything that would ever be implemented, but instead is just an idea to be reported in the media, and to add to the outrage people have over benefit claimants, to whip up some more support for their welfare reforms. Now the daily fail readers can have the image of a fat benefit claimant sitting around stuffing their faces and not doing anything - guaranteed to whip up even more bile over the 'scroungers'.

[assisted blonde]

Fresh veg really is no more expensive than prepacked food neither is fresh meat, for example lambs liver fresh greens mashed potato feeds 4 for less than 1.00 per head (I know because its some of the shopping we brought today) and we are not on benefits or a budget it happens to be one of the meals we enjoy sometimes, buy a chicken roast it oneday and use the remains up in a casserole or curry the next, not expensive, having said that one of the real problems is that many people do not know how to cook fresh food, yes it may take a bit longer to prepare than sticking it in the microwave. having said that i am not saying you would weigh less eating fresh food but its better for you and your bank balance.

 

Ready meals are ok sometimes but not all the time and you actually dont need to always have meat or fish with a meal, at the end of the day an awful lot of poor eating is down to laziness and lack of domestic skills.

 

 

as for making benefit claiments go to the gym ok if its the weight that is stopping them getting a job I suppose but it wont help if they are still eating rubbish

Edited January 6, 2013 by citizenB

[fletch70]

How Jewish did you have to be to be persecuted? The decision was made by the perscutors.

 

You didn't even need to be Jewish. Just a suggestion that someone somewhere in your family tree was could be enough to have you put in the ghetto or sent to an extermination camp.

 

As for the exercise thing,well i should have been saying appropriate exercise.

However i realise that not everyone can exercise. To see someone who can not even walk to the bathroom without being out of breath is breathtaking,especially when that person was only 67 when she died all alone and it was 3 days before anyone found the body.

[Surfer01]

The paleo diet has been shown to be very effective for RA - but it means giving up oats, bread and beer...

 

Oats is good for me because of my high cholesterol from lack of exercise. Bread I only eat the seed variety and as for beer, can only drink the lager and at the most about 3 pints a week! Genuine beer or ale which I prefer, cripples me for about two days although no issues with Guinness. I think it is the yeast content in some of the ales!

I also have to be careful of some fruits like tomatoes, oranges etc which have a high citrus content or have a higher than normal acid content. I love papaya but it is not readily available in any form.

[estellyn]

Oats is good for me because of my high cholesterol from lack of exercise. Bread I only eat the seed variety and as for beer, can only drink the lager and at the most about 3 pints a week! Genuine beer or ale which I prefer, cripples me for about two days although no issues with Guinness. I think it is the yeast content in some of the ales!

I also have to be careful of some fruits like tomatoes, oranges etc which have a high citrus content or have a higher than normal acid content. I love papaya but it is not readily available in any form.

 

Oh dear, don't make me go into the whole cholesterol myth, my head hurts right now. Let me try and find a link for you - this is another case of being lied to in order to increase the profits of pharmaceutical companies.

 

It's the gluten that is bad for RA - bread and beer both have gluten in them and oats are generally contaminated with gluten. You can get gluten free bread and beer - don't know what it tastes like. I don't eat gluten due to autoimmune issues, and I've seen how effective it is - had some over christmas, and my pain has skyrocketed. I also can't eat citrus, or pineapple (had pineapple yesterday and have been suffering).

[estellyn]

Link re cholesterol:

 

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.org.uk/

 

and another one with articles about statins and cholesterol (more advanced)

 

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/statin_index.html

[Minibits]

You didn't even need to be Jewish. Just a suggestion that someone somewhere in your family tree was could be enough to have you put in the ghetto or sent to an extermination camp.

 

Nothing much has changed then. Whenever a claimant is sanctioned, the whole household is affected.

 

In this case, Mum or Dad have a weight problem, so the kids have less money coming in to the home for food!

[Surfer01]

Can't take statins as they have an adverse effect on me. I think they clash with the methotrexate and make me fell very woozy. I guess it may cheaper than drinking the beer to get the same feeling!

Recently I have started drinking a tot of whisky on its own on occasion, but never when we are out and about socialising which is about once a week at the local as I prefer a lager.

[count orlok]

This little spoof did give me a chuckle. I just hope it doesn't give the vermin in power any ideas!!

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/poor-people-to-be-operated-by-remote-control-2013010354786

 

POOR people are to be operated remotely like an unmanned drone, the government has announced.

 

From April all benefit claimants will be fitted with a headset so they can be controlled by a middle class person who is trained to know what is best for everyone.

 

I looked at that article and it is typical Tory rubbish they are clearly wrong, saying for example “You can’t stay fat if your brain is being controlled by someone who went to university"; I am poor and fat but I also went to university [sic].

[san_d]

I eat oat porridge for breakfast, sandwich for lunch with salad or meat on and for dinner meant and salad or veg and no potatoes. Nothing in between. I drink J2O, caffeine free Cocal cola, and de-decaffeinated coffee. On a weekend I may have 2 or if I am daring 3 beers.

 

I can hardly call it a healthy diet. For starters it's too rich in carbohydrates (ok for the prorridge though), not enough protein and you need some healthy fats, like Omega 3 from fish. Then what about the fizzy drinks?

 

You might have lost weight but I am pretty sure you haven't lost much body fat.

 

EDIT: I missed the meat for dinner. Still not an ideal diet.

[honeybee13]

I can hardly call it a healthy diet. For starters it's too rich in carbohydrates (ok for the prorridge though), not enough protein and you need some healthy fats, like Omega 3 from fish. Then what about the fizzy drinks?

 

You might have lost weight but I am pretty sure you haven't lost much body fat.

 

EDIT: I missed the meat for dinner. Still not an ideal diet.

 

Hello san_d. We all have our opinions about what constitutes a good diet for ourselves and could be entitled to our own view. I eat no animal protein at all fwiw and my doctor doesn't have a problem with that.

 

Do you have a qualification in nutrition?

 

HB