e-petition for Cameron & Osbourne to resign and call a election

[osdset]

Here http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/33327

[Conniff]

Sorry Philip Bateman this is just political rubbish. The blame continually being attributed to the Labour Party is perfectly justified as they are the party that got us into this mess. Their continual 'No more Boom or Bust' has proved to be the stupidest statement any party has ever made and in fact Gordon Brown has led us into the biggest and deepest Bust this country has ever known.

 

If you think a silly petition can lead to a general election you are very misguided. If it was that simple the opposition would have done it long ago.

 

You are also not looking at the amount of Labours debt that has been paid back already. Making contracts that is more expensive to cancel than continue with, commissioning the building of two aircraft carriers bigger than even the US has is more than stupidity, it is criminal. We haven't any aircraft to stock them with nor the sailors to crew them with. They are to be finished, because there is no way out of the contract, and then put into mothball.

 

This is the mess that has to be sorted. And while I don't agree with a coalition, (we would always have had these if the looney Libdems had their way with proportional representation), at least this government is making an effort to pay back the debt Labour made and to get the country on to a footing that should prevent it happening again.

[sadone]

And If you still believe this whole thing It's just about debt then I have this bridge I'd like to sell you....

 

The blame continually being attributed to the Labour Party is perfectly justified as they are the party that got us into this mess.

 

Aww, and there's me thinking the banks had a hand in all this.

 

at least this government is making an effort to pay back the debt Labour made and to get the country on to a footing that should prevent it happening again.

 

Hah, hahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahhahhahah! *Oh my aching sides* Well at least one person is still believing their propaganda.

[Conniff]

So what is it about then or are you just another tree hugger who shouts but has no solution.

[sadone]

Are you addressing me sweetie?

 

So what is it about then or are you just another tree hugger who shouts but has no solution.

 

Gosh, you do have a way with words don't you.

[Conniff]

Well are you going to respond or are you just mouth and trousers.

[sadone]

Well are you going to respond or are you just mouth and trousers.

 

Well just answer me this, do you think It's seen to be good form that a Mod on here is appearing to try and pick fights with it's members?

Edited January 3, 2013 by sadone

[Conniff]

So all you can do is answer a question with another question, I thought so.

 

I see no mod trying to pick a fight with anyone. I see that Conniff has questiond a stupid epetition that will get nowhere and the setter of the petition knows that.

I also see that someone, in typical tree hugger fashion, has said I am wrong, but hasn't given any reason why or said what is right.

[sadone]

I also see that someone, in typical tree hugger fashion, has said I am wrong, but hasn't given any reason why or said what is right.

 

As I said before you do seem to have a way with words don't you? And judging by some of your past posts on here you also appear to be rather right wing, which imo seems an odd fit with this place. But hey, maybe thats just me.

 

I'm not a politician, so off the top of my head can't come up with a solution, but then I'm sure neither can can you.

 

One thing I do know is that this government has proved time and time again is unfairly targeting the poorest, sickest section of society and yet choosing to booster the coffers of large corporate and millionaires.

 

They been proven to lie, cheat and use the dirtiest tactics to get what they want and many are now realsing that it's gone well beyond dealing with any deficit but instead has rapidly moved into the realms of some kind of social restructuring.

 

You happy with that, then fine, but many aren't.

[Conniff]

I'm not left, right, up or down. I don't care about politicians or the things they say, but I can see when one party is only interested in spending money we haven't got and another is trying to correct that.

Maybe they are attempting social restructuring, the country probably needs it. If you take child allowance, it was only an interim measure brought in after WW2 to supplement women whose husbands never came back from the war. That was almost 60 years ago and there should be no reason for it's existence today. There are a million things having money spent on that are not the responsibility of government and they shouldn't be called on to pay for these things when ultimately it is you and me who pay for it as the government doesn't have any commercial income.

[ashmk]

Well I for one think they are doing an good job with the mess they have been left and will be voting Tory next time round.

[sadone]

Well I do hope that you both end up being happy with the results as we're only just now starting to reap the whirlwind that this lot are in the process of creating.

[estellyn]

I'm not left, right, up or down. I don't care about politicians or the things they say, but I can see when one party is only interested in spending money we haven't got and another is trying to correct that.

Maybe they are attempting social restructuring, the country probably needs it. If you take child allowance, it was only an interim measure brought in after WW2 to supplement women whose husbands never came back from the war. That was almost 60 years ago and there should be no reason for it's existence today. There are a million things having money spent on that are not the responsibility of government and they shouldn't be called on to pay for these things when ultimately it is you and me who pay for it as the government doesn't have any commercial income.

 

If wages were high enough, there wouldn't need to be any benefits for anyone working. The problem with government intervention is too often it is in the wrong places - mandating a living wage would be a better intervention, but until then, what do you suggest? Benefits cannot just be withdrawn, if people cannot afford to live on a full time wage alone.

[osdset]

Well I for one think they are doing an good job with the mess they have been left and will be voting Tory next time round.

 

Don't make me laugh, the Tory party is finished, IDS is busy hammering the final nails in the Conservative coffin, his latest outburst on tax credits was obviously spat out before he realised the ramifications for his business buddies, scrap WTC and the only incentive for taking NMW, zero hour contract employment is gone, the employers will either have to pay a living wage, or rely even more on free labour from workfare, and that 'nice little earner' is on the skids.

 

The only thing this government will succeed in bringing about this year is civil unrest.

[sadone]

Don't make me laugh, the Tory party is finished,

 

Oh I wouldn't write them off just yet. Imo their propaganda campaign has seemed to have worked on enough people who apparantly don't seem to read too much into whats really going on behind the scenes, and that combined with labour being far too quiet on too many issues doesn't exactly make them appear to be a serious threat to them and their 'followers'.

[osdset]

Oh I wouldn't write them off just yet. Imo their propaganda campaign has seemed to have worked on enough people who apparantly don't seem to read too much into whats really going on behind the scenes, and that combined with labour being far too quiet on too many issues doesn't exactly make them appear to be a serious threat to them and their 'followers'.

 

I don't expect Labour, or UKIP to topple the Tories, they are more than capable off doing the job themselves.

[Conniff]

If you look at the full situation, it is not wages being too low, on the contrary, they are too high and this country is pricing itself out of the world markets. Our industry could not compete so has all shut down. This country is practically living on service industries which does not earn the country any money or pay wages.

 

It's not 'if wages were high enough', it's 'if people lived within their means'. Wages up, costs up and the circle just goes around and around. You can see that with the railways, huge rises which now makes them the most expensive railways in the world, but no huge extra profit because they have to pay high wages.

 

I'm not saying the ordinary person shouldn't have nice things, but I am saying the population seems to have a misconception of 'I'm entitled' when they are not entitled to anything.

 

a petition would be better served if it called for the abolition of payday loan companies with the 1,000s of % interest and the bill of sale (logbook loans) style of lending, and most of all, a big clamp down on banks and their gross bonuses.

 

I don't expect the Tories to get back into power mainly because of a voting public that is blind to the 'real' things that matter. There is no such party as LibDem, they were always a joke, this is still a two party country and it will take an eternity to break that. The problem we have is Labour will get in at the next election spend/borrow/spend more/borrow more and on and on until the next election when the tories will get in again and have to clean it all up again, that is how it has always been.

 

One thing is certain, Labour may shout about some of the measures being taken today, but they won't reverse a single one when they get into power.

[sadone]

I don't expect Labour, or UKIP to topple the Tories, they are more than capable off doing the job themselves

 

Oh I dunno. Imo there are too many greedy misinformed idiots going around at the moment, and the one thing the tories did get 'right' is their spin campaign. Right from the off they very quickly managed to change peoples attitudes to not only the disabled, sick and unemployed but to the idea of welfare itself. Imo paving the way for their draconian 'reforms'.

 

The fact we all pay taxes so that later in life we're meant to be looked after/helped no-longer seems to matter anymore, which to me is the really worrying issue here.

 

I'm not saying the ordinary person shouldn't have nice things, but I am saying the population seems to have a misconception of 'I'm entitled' when they are not entitled to anything.

 

And see above. Jesus...

[Conniff]

The fact we all pay taxes so that later in life we're meant to be looked after/helped no-longer seems to matter anymore, which to me is the really worrying issue here.

 

Of course it's worrying, but this is where changes have to be made. The NI was based on people living up to 70 with only the odd one or two going past that, but now with the majority of people living well into their 80's, there just isn't enough funds to pay for all that is associated with being older.

 

Not only are they drawing pensions for 20 years more, they are also consuming medicine by the bucket load and making huge demands on the NHS, in general.

[osdset]

It's not 'if wages were high enough', it's 'if people lived within their means'. Wages up, costs up and the circle just goes around and around. You can see that with the railways, huge rises which now makes them the most expensive railways in the world, but no huge extra profit because they have to pay high wages.

Try working for NMW in London and living within your means, £247.60 gross for a 40 hour week would not even cover rent and council tax in most boroughs after deductions, and what is wrong with earnings being commensurate with skill and experience? Using your logic, a doctor should therefore be on the same salary as a shop assistant, pay peanuts get monkeys.

[Conniff]

In answer to that, all I can say is Look at China, they are taking over the world because they have low wages and can make everything cheaper than the rest of the world, even India can't compete with them which is why all the manufacturing is done there. Why do you think dyson closed his UK operation and factory and moved to China, he couldn't make enough profit using the UK.

 

We people have our destiny in our own hands, if someone is willing to pay £thousands per week for a 2 room flat in London, then bigger fool them, but they shouldn't expect the government to subsidise this gross abuse.

[estellyn]

If you look at the full situation, it is not wages being too low, on the contrary, they are too high and this country is pricing itself out of the world markets. Our industry could not compete so has all shut down. This country is practically living on service industries which does not earn the country any money or pay wages.

 

It's not 'if wages were high enough', it's 'if people lived within their means'. Wages up, costs up and the circle just goes around and around. You can see that with the railways, huge rises which now makes them the most expensive railways in the world, but no huge extra profit because they have to pay high wages.

 

I'm not saying the ordinary person shouldn't have nice things, but I am saying the population seems to have a misconception of 'I'm entitled' when they are not entitled to anything.

 

a petition would be better served if it called for the abolition of payday loan companies with the 1,000s of % interest and the bill of sale (logbook loans) style of lending, and most of all, a big clamp down on banks and their gross bonuses.

 

I don't expect the Tories to get back into power mainly because of a voting public that is blind to the 'real' things that matter. There is no such party as LibDem, they were always a joke, this is still a two party country and it will take an eternity to break that. The problem we have is Labour will get in at the next election spend/borrow/spend more/borrow more and on and on until the next election when the tories will get in again and have to clean it all up again, that is how it has always been.

 

One thing is certain, Labour may shout about some of the measures being taken today, but they won't reverse a single one when they get into power.

 

What about the people struggling to pay for just essentials - and there are plenty. I'm fed up with this misapprehension that the less well off are that way because they've brought it on themselves, by feeling entitled to things and buying things they can't afford, and racking up debts. Basic essentials are so costly now, that those on very low wages struggle with the basics, even with help from in work benefits. I'm happy for wages to be lower if the cost of living is also lower - what's your solution to that?

[estellyn]

In answer to that, all I can say is Look at China, they are taking over the world because they have low wages and can make everything cheaper than the rest of the world, even India can't compete with them which is why all the manufacturing is done there. Why do you think dyson closed his UK operation and factory and moved to China, he couldn't make enough profit using the UK.

 

We people have our destiny in our own hands, if someone is willing to pay £thousands per week for a 2 room flat in London, then bigger fool them, but they shouldn't expect the government to subsidise this gross abuse.

 

The cost of living in china is very low compared with here. And cost of living rises here are really due to corporate and individual greed and profit chasing. That can be traced back to the 80's and the privatisation of essential services, and selling off of social housing stock.

[sadone]

In answer to that, all I can say is Look at China, they are taking over the world because they have low wages and can make everything cheaper than the rest of the world, even India can't compete with them which is why all the manufacturing is done there. Why do you think dyson closed his UK operation and factory and moved to China, he couldn't make enough profit using the UK.

 

We people have our destiny in our own hands, if someone is willing to pay £thousands per week for a 2 room flat in London, then bigger fool them, but they shouldn't expect the government to subsidise this gross abuse.

 

Hey some countries I'm sure keep manufacturing costs down by using slave labour, or employing young children, but does that mean we should do the same?

 

Maybe we could turn a quick profit by showing kids back up chimneys

 

We people have our destiny in our own hands, if someone is willing to pay £thousands per week for a 2 room flat in London, then bigger fool them, but they shouldn't expect the government to subsidise this gross abuse.

 

Well how about they reform the whole private letting system. Regulate tenancies and vet private landlords like they're going to do in Scotland? Make it so local councils aren't asked to pay ridiculous prices for poor standard accommodation?

[Conniff]

I live on basic essentials, so I know full well how costly it is to live.

 

One way out is to stop dead the bull**** and greed of councils. Look at the amount of empty shops there are in every town and city, they aren't all empty because there are no customers, they are empty because councils charge too much in rent and business rates so the goods are too expensive. Councils would rather the shops were left empty than advertise, 'no business rates for 2 years if you move to our area'. They have a 'can only be used for xx' policy that brings in no money.

 

There was a huge Coop furniture warehouse quite near here that shut up shop. Application was made to move into it my Go-kart, bowling alley and countless other companies, but the council said no it is for furniture and it was empty for 20 years making no money but costing on security and inspections.