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Id reply to her and ask her what work experience she's going to do when she looks for her next job?

 

Some of these individuals do not understand that they are

most likely next on the chopping block?

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Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Mandatory Work Activity (MWA) which involved doing work experience for 1 month (30hrs per week approx) is coming to an end at the end of March.

Community Work Placement (CWP) is being rolled out in conjunction with Universal Credit to replace MWA. This involves doing work experience for 6 months (30hrs per week approx).

This could be the change that you are being prepared for.

Finding yourself any voluntary situation on your own initiative for several hours per day or week is not acceptable to them these days. You see, they can't control you and the Providers can't make money out of you if they let you do that.

If you feel that you are being intimidated you should consider recording your interviews if you are not doing so already. You would certainly be advised to do it when they start moves to refer you to CWP in earnest.

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My advisor has advised me to look for some voluntary work otherwise i'm going to have to do MWA. Just emailed my local Oxfam to see if they need volunteers as that has to be better than been sent somewhere you don't want for 4 weeks.

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Community Work Placement is being axed at the end of March, but will run to October for those forced on it before then . Word is that they're having a bit of a round-up for a last hurrah

Thanks for the correction Konark. I took the information on which I based my earlier post from documents issued by DWP and statements by Ian Duncan Smith, more fool me.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/department-for-work-and-pensions-settlement-at-the-spending-review

 

".....a new Work and Health Programme replacing the Work Programme and Work Choice which will provide specialist support for the long-term unemployed and claimants with health conditions and disabilities."

 

Ian Duncan Smith announced in a statement about his Spending Review widely reported in the press at the time:

 

"This Spending Review will see the start of genuine integration between the health and work sectors, with a renewed focus on supporting people with health conditions and disabilities return to and remain in work. We will increase spending in this area, expanding Access to Work and Fit for Work, and investing in the Health and Work Innovation Fund and the new Work and Health Programme."

 

I took all this to mean that the "Work Programme" and the post Work Programme "Help to Work Schemes", under which the "Community Work Placement Scheme" was introduced, were being rebranded and expected to continue as the "Work & Health Programme"

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My advisor has advised me to look for some voluntary work otherwise i'm going to have to do MWA. Just emailed my local Oxfam to see if they need volunteers as that has to be better than been sent somewhere you don't want for 4 weeks.

 

Don't forget that there are plenty of volunteering opportunities beyond charity shops. I am fortunate to have two preserved steam railways within a short drive, so could get involved with overhauling a locomotive if I wanted. Then there are countless local groups involved in restoration, finance (thinking of Credit Unions here), as well as advice & support groups.

 

Decide what is of benefit to yourself and is of interest, then go looking to see what volunteer opportunities are out there.

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Hi there people,

 

 

I have finally decided to cease my work experience, but shall be looking for something else in the near future,

 

However, the job centre has been paying for my buss pass each week and I believe they do this for up to 8 weeks?

 

To be honest, I’m curious if pulling out before the 8 weeks was potentially bad for me and may get me sanctioned?

 

I have worked at the British hearts foundation in Accocks Green for just two weeks and my hours were 16 hours per week.

 

 

Hope you guys might be able to advise me?

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If the job centre mandated you to attend the British Heart Foundation and you decided to stop attending then yes you may well end up with a sanction.

 

If you found the work experience placement yourself then as far as i'm aware you can't be sanctioned.

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If the job centre mandated you to attend the British Heart Foundation and you decided to stop attending then yes you may well end up with a sanction.

 

If you found the work experience placement yourself then as far as i'm aware you can't be sanctioned.

 

 

Hi Dazza1983,

 

 

With regard to my current circumstances, I have been involved in some work experience for 2 weeks on my own accord and like you said, it isn’t mandatory.

My work experience is just 16 hours per week and 4 hours each time I work.

 

Luckily, the job centre agreed to pay for my buss pass and said they would cover my transportation costs for up to 8 weeks if memory serves me correct?

 

However, I have now decided to no longer continue my current work experience and now considering something else.

 

I visited the job centre today and told my advisor I was ending my current work experience, but she wouldn’t allow me to find something else.

 

Put simply, my job centre advisor said she was going to refer me to the Community Work Placement (CWP) the next time I sign on.

 

By the look of things, (CWP) is mandatory for up to 10 or 6 weeks, but when I asked my advisor what (CWP) involves, she seemed to deliberately avoid telling me.

 

Is there anyway you can advise me in how to get out of this (CWP) and do you know what (CWP) might entail?

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In that case you won't be sanctioned. As for the (CWP) i don't know too much about it. I was going to be mandated to do (MWA) but my advisor has held off making me do it and advised me to find my own voluntary posistion I thought the (CWP) was for 6 months and for 30 hours a week. Someone on here who knows more about it than myself will know.

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In that case you won't be sanctioned. As for the (CWP) i don't know too much about it. I was going to be mandated to do (MWA) but my advisor has held off making me do it and advised me to find my own voluntary posistion I thought the (CWP) was for 6 months and for 30 hours a week. Someone on here who knows more about it than myself will know.

 

 

Hi Dazza1983,

 

 

Interestingly, I found a video on youtube which seems to show a way of getting out of doing the (CWP).

However, I am unsure if this video is now out of date for its advice?

 

My job centre advisor said I wouldn’t need to sign anything and my (CWP) is mandatory, but the video link below shows a form which must be signed by the client to give consent.

 

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https://www.docdroid.net/yo1Kb2D/escape-cwp-referral-leaflet-updated.pdf.html

 

That post was made only in December last, so I imagine it may be relevant?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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https://www.docdroid.net/yo1Kb2D/escape-cwp-referral-leaflet-updated.pdf.html

 

That post was made only in December last, so I imagine it may be relevant?

 

I think you right Bazooka Boo,

 

To be honest, I did ask my job centre advisor if she expected me to sign anything before commencing (CWP) and she said something like “you don’t sign anything, we just send you on it”

 

I wonder if my job centre advisor was bluffing me.

 

I also asked my advisor twice what the (CWP) would entail and she wouldn’t tell me anything specific.

All I know is that it’s with some company?.....probably some charity shop!

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The link does not appear to be working, try this one:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/community-work-placements-dwp-provider-guidance

The link provided by Bazooka Boo is useful and the grounds upon which Mr Baker challenged CWP is still applicable. For more of Mr Baker's experiences check out this link, as you can see the most recent entry on this link is 15 Jan 2016 :

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cwp_participation#comment-65958

Both of those links will tell you what to expect once you are referred to a CWP Provider.

Before all that you might want to be prepared for what is involved in the process of referral to the Provider by JCP. This link will help in that endeavour:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/261436/response/640517/attach/3/09%20HtW%20Guidance%20v2%209%202015%2002%2023.pdf

There is also the issues around insurance cover whilst on those courses. Some placement providers that CWP Providers use dump claimants placed with them when they find out that they might have to be responsible for insuring them. This is another whole kettle of fish and it would be advisable to enquire about insurance at CWP Provider interview. Providing evidence of insurance cover is obligatory.

There is quite at lot there to take in but if you do nothing else remember to SIGN NOTHING and, if possible, RECORD INTERVIEWS.

When is your referral interview, by the way, Have you got time to prepare?

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Hi There,

 

 

I was wondering if someone can advise me about the jobcentre and how far they can legally go when checking a claimant’s job search details.

 

At this moment in time, I’ve exercised my legal right to forbid the jobcentre access to my online details and alternatively fill out a paper job log.

I bring this paper job log with me when signing on each fortnight.

 

When signing on this week, the jobcentre photocopied my paper job log and said they required a copy for themselves.

However, I’m kind of worried the jobcentre will do the same thing again when signing on next time.

 

I’m also a little worried the job centre might phone some of the agencies I’ve applied for work with?

 

Can the jobcentre check up on me by phoning or emailing third party companies and would this be a breach of my privacy / data protection?

 

I hope someone might be able to help advisee me on this matter.

 

 

Yours sincerely 33crazydude

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The is according to their handbook (or at least wasn't not long ago) any legal requirement for a jobseeker to keep a written work search log, or use a computer to keep such logs, you record can be verble , and it's the quality of a work search that matters not the quantity (number of jobs applied for,interviews ect)

 

As for checking with 3rd parties, maybe possible in theory, as unless you have attended an interview for a job and weren't successful ,I would wish them luck with doing that, but it would possibly depend on what details you record in your log,

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The is according to their handbook (or at least wasn't not long ago) any legal requirement for a jobseeker to keep a written work search log, or use a computer to keep such logs, you record can be verble , and it's the quality of a work search that matters not the quantity (number of jobs applied for,interviews ect)

 

As for checking with 3rd parties, maybe possible in theory, as unless you have attended an interview for a job and weren't successful ,I would wish them luck with doing that, but it would possibly depend on what details you record in your log,

I have not been offered any interviews as yet and my job log only shows vacancies which I applied for through agencies.

 

Hypothetically speaking, if the jobcentre phoned these recruitment agencies and checked if they received my CV, surly this is kind of illegal from a data protection point of view?

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My recollection of this (the guidance has been posted here before, but I can't find it at the moment) is that the JC can't normally check up on vacancies you applied for "on your own". So if you found the job on a website or local shop window or whatever, they shouldn't be contacting the employer without your permission.

 

If you're matched to a job by the JC themselves (say, at your signing interview) then they are allowed to check up and it's safest to assume that they will. This used to be called a "Jobseeker's Direction" and maybe still is.

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