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In early 2007 I renewed my contract with 3 on the basis I could use my contract "abroad like at home" in line with their advertising at the time.

 

I phoned 3 to ask, "does the 'use your phone abroad like at home work in australia'" to be told "yes australia is a three country".

Those are the exact words used.

I extended my contract on this basis.

 

I went to oz with that in mind and happily used my phone for about 3months,

first in sydney on the network 3telstra then up the east coast on telstra (networks auto selected by phone).

 

In the summmer of 2007 my bank sensibly refused to pay a direct debit requested by three because of the amount.

Turns out because I wasn't in sydney anymore, and no longer on 3telstra I had been charged roaming. Approx £400 bill.

 

The three website at the time did not state this, I checked before I left the uk. All it had was a map of the world with 3countries highlighted.

 

I called three to complain and cancelled my DD with my bank as 3 breached my contract/mis sold it in the first place.

 

Fastforward 4 yrs from that point I'm starting to get letters from County Court Litigation looking to claim approx £1500.

It does say 3 are the orignal debt holders. So not a phishing excercise.

 

Iv read the other threads and am not panicking but would like this to go away.

I fundamentally disagree with threes notion that I owe them money when they misold me the contract. I do not want to pay anyone.

 

Suggestions on next steos please kind CAG people!

 

Three things have struck me :

1) Is the debt disputed, as far back as 2007?

2) Can debt agenciens legit add so much interest to the original debt?

3) How long does it have to be before mobile phone debt cannot be persued, 5 or 6 yrs or is it a myth

 

Need a bit of guidence

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Hello and Welcome,

 

I've moved this thread to a Forum where I would think you'll get the help your looking for.

 

Regards,

 

Scott.

 
 

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little they can do

 

they are just a DCa - no powers.

 

as you in the uk now?

 

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Yea. I fell out with three about may 2007. Returned to uk in march 2008.

 

So that's 5 yrs since debt started not 4ys I said before

 

little they can do

 

they are just a DCa - no powers.

 

as you in the uk now?

 

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just a phishing trip me thinks.

 

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Have you received a notice of assignment from Lowells - this would advise if they have purchased the account or not.

 

It does seem to be an awful lot of interest/charges on the original debt of £400.. so you could certainly dispute that.

 

Yes, if you have an unresolved dispute with the original creditor then perhaps it would be wise to let Lowells know - they are extremely litigatious and have been issuing stat demands left right and centre over the last few months. Although most of these have indeed be set aside.

 

For the debt to become statute barred, then there would need to have been a period of 6 years where no acknowledgment of liability or payment has been made. This is 5 years in Scotland.

 

IMHO, I would send a letter to Lowell advising that there is an unresolved dispute with the original creditor, that you believe they should return the account there for resolution.

 

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I had received a letter from adventis, who are apparently the same people as crown litigation, saying they had been assigned it on behalf of their client and would instruct someone legal to start procedings if I didn't respond.

 

I think it went three to lowells to scotcall (I think) to someone else then to adventis and now county court litigation.

 

I have never accepted liabilty, I am pretty sure I have never responded to any of the debt agencies.

I once wrote to three to say that we were in dispute why were lowels contacting me, three said they had appointed lowels. I didn't think they could do that while in dispute.

Been ignoring them ever since.

 

Is the best course of action to reply to next letter with "accepting no liabilty ect currently in dispute with three mobile" letter?

 

If I have never acknowledged liabilty for the debt and never made a payment does that mean they can't legally persue me for the original debt or the interest they are claiming? Its was may 2007 the dispute started with three that's 5yrs and I'm in scotland

 

Thanks for the advise btw

Have you received a notice of assignment from Lowells - this would advise if they have purchased the account or not.

 

It does seem to be an awful lot of interest/charges on the original debt of £400.. so you could certainly dispute that.

 

Yes, if you have an unresolved dispute with the original creditor then perhaps it would be wise to let Lowells know - they are extremely litigatious and have been issuing stat demands left right and centre over the last few months. Although most of these have indeed be set aside.

 

For the debt to become statute barred, then there would need to have been a period of 6 years where no acknowledgment of liability or payment has been made. This is 5 years in Scotland.

 

IMHO, I would send a letter to Lowell advising that there is an unresolved dispute with the original creditor, that you believe they should return the account there for resolution.

 

- do head your letter **I acknowledge no liability to either you or any company you represent**

 

Do not hand sign your letter.. Print or use a digital signature.

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Hi,

 

If the debt is genuinely "Statute Barred" and you have written to them stating that it is, then that is a complete defence to any court proceedings that they may try to bring.

 

Some info here.................

 

http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/scotland/factsheet.php?page=23_prescription_and_limitation_act

 

 

There is a letter you can send........................

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Ref: xxxxxxxxxxx

 

You have contacted me/us regarding the account with the above reference number, which you claim is owed by myself/ourselves.

 

I/we would point out that under The Prescription and Limitation (Scotland) Act 1973 Part 1 Prescription Section 6:

 

"If after an appropriate date, an obligation (an appropriate debt) has subsided for a continuous period of five years:

 

(a) without any relevant claim having been made in relation to the obligation, and

(b) without the subsistence of the obligation having been relevantly acknowledged;

 

then as from the expiration of that period the obligation shall be extinguished..."

 

I/we would also point out that the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) say under their Debt Collection Guidance on statute barred debt that:

 

"It is unfair to pursue the debt if the debtor has heard nothing from the creditor during the relevant limitation period".

 

The last written acknowledgement/payment of this debt was made over five years ago and no further acknowledgement or payment has been made since that time. Unless you can provide evidence of payment or written contact from me/us in the relevant period under Part 1 Section 6of the above Act, I/we suggest that you are no longer able to take anycourt action against me/us to recover the alleged amount claimed.

 

The OFT Debt Collection Guidance states further that:

 

"continuing to press for payment after a debtor has stated that they will not be paying a debt because it is statute barred could amount to harassment".

 

I/we await your written confirmation that no further contact will be made concerning the above account and confirmation that this matter is now closed.

 

I/we look forward to your reply.

 

Yours faithfully

 
 

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all the pretty names for dca's that make them 'appear' official'

 

they are are NOT.

 

court proceeding ltd

 

this, judgements r us that

 

money goes to our pocket fleecers

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Are you able to scan in the letters you are being sent by these people.. especially the one claiming to be crown litigation ?

 

Follow instructions below.. please remove any personal information first.

 

Dx100 – Instructions on uploading pdfs

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets

as a picture file

remove all pers info inc barcodes etc using paint

but leave all figures and dates.

goto one of the many free online pdf converter websites

convert the image to pdf format.

or ir you have PDF as an installed printer drive use that

open a new msg box here

hit go advanced below the msg box

hit manage attachments below that box

hit the add files button on the top right

hit select files, navigate to your file on your pc

hit upload files

NB:you can set where it goes in the post by hitting insert inline.

the hit reply button

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4: Staying Calm About Debt  Read Here

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Crown Litigation Services is a Trading Name of;

Wescot Credit Services;

Wescot have several trading names.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Unfortunately I have already sent it back to them. Currently I think I'm a going to have to wait for something else to find out who I am to write to then hit them with the 5yr rule letter

 

Are you able to scan in the letters you are being sent by these people.. especially the one claiming to be crown litigation ?

 

Follow instructions below.. please remove any personal information first.

 

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