JSA sanction??

[chris2rtr]

I came out of the army in may 2009 due to a knee injury,

all is fine now im back to full health,

 

in the meantime I decided to sign on because i only thought it would be 6-8 months till I'd be back in the army.

 

I ve had 2 sanctions before for missing work programme even though no letter was sent out telling me when and where it was????!!!!

 

Since then i have had no problems until last week,

i signed on as normal my entire job search was filled in i look for any job to tie me over until i can go back to the army.

 

From the start this woman's attitude was rotten!!

I havnt been in work for 3 years because of all the problems with my knee i didn't want to claim disabilty or sickness

because that will haunt you the rest of your days the way people on benefits get scapegoated these days,

an it was just an injury i wasn't incapable!!

 

She looked at my job search which every section was filled in!!

She found one job at toys r us and asked me if i applied for it i said yes,

she then said if she was to call them would they have my form i said yes,

 

she then said i dont think this is true im putting you up for sanction i don't believe you have been doing enough!!

 

my entire job search was filled in i sign on on time and i go to every course they send me too an this is still not enough!!!!

 

I felt it was a personnel attack as ive never been spoken to like that in the jobcenter this woman just seemed irate and very unprofessional and rude.

 

Im very very very stressed about this as it a couple of weeks before Christmas

i already get underpaid on my housing benefit which i have to top up form out my job seekers which im now not getting,

i have no food an no one i can turn to for finacial help. I

 

m pointing out now that im not a scrounger i actually go back into the army in January 2013 so at least im lucky to be getting my old job back,

I could completely understand if a person didnt do a job search or didnt go to a course ect ect but i apply for 10 to 15 jobs a week

and go to there work program how is this justified and how is it going to benefit the country in the long run,

 

im kinda lucky to have a job to start but those who dont i really feel for and i can see crime rates going through the roof if this carries on!!!

 

does anybody have any advice or been down the same road??

 

i have 3 job interview next week and have to swear in at my local armed forces office i know cannot get there as i have no money

so bassicly this system is keeping me unemployed im at my wits end even people who are sorting thier lives out are being punished this is wrong!!!!

[biggeorge]

Simple rule when attending Work Programme or JSA is to take a recording device with you and record these idiots.

When you get these people acting out you have evidence of their attitude or behavior to you and can make a formal complaint against them.

The Gov are no longer interested in getting the unemployed back into work, They can now sanction anyone for what ever reason, The result is the

same, another person off the unemployed list/numbers.

 

George

[chris2rtr]

Simple rule when attending Work Programme or JSA is to take a recording device with you and record these idiots.

When you get these people acting out you have evidence of their attitude or behavior to you and can make a formal complaint against them.

The Gov are no longer interested in getting the unemployed back into work, They can now sanction anyone for what ever reason, The result is the

same, another person off the unemployed list/numbers.

 

George

 

Looking back i wish i did!!!

 

Went to appeal today got told if i filled in another form i can get hardship at the end of today (which turned out to be a load of [naughty word])

they obviously say these thiings to keep you sweet an get you out......

 

..... Im at my wits end tbh i see achloholics and drug addicts never go without im 4 weeks away from going back to the army an the systme has put a giant spanner in the works,

if i didnt have a job lined up id have to go back to crime people need to eat!!!!!

 

How is this system justified and "helping" poeple in any other country this would be against human rights seems to me the worst to be in england is english

somtimes i wonder why im signing up to fight for this country again!!!!!

 

thankyou for your reply

[*Thumper]

As you are a pro-active, go get, type of guy.

Can I suggest, to lose the negative, crap, your getting from JC+

 

How about pop into your bank, and ask for an overdraft??

 

You go back into the forces, in january. I guess you must have paperwork to prove this.

 

Get some help from the bank, and [EDIT] the JC+

 

This advise would'nt help, most. But you are in fact, in a fortunate position.

I know, your feeling pretty aggreived..... and why not!

 

Just thought this would help improve, your sense, of wellbeing

 

Glass half full, and all that.

Edited December 5, 2012 by dx100uk
please behave - dx siteteam

[chris2rtr]

I dont let it drag me down its just very annoying im very close to getting off this system they can make it as hard as they want im still going to get off it, I just dont think sanctions are justified.

 

I dont have the paperwork for the army as of yet but my recruiter has promised me january intake just lit waiting for my doctor to tick a box an my start date will get released

 

unfourtunetly because i have no proof of income i cannot get a overdraft on my account plus i have 2 huge payday loan debts above my head for the last 2 times they put me on a sanction :/

 

apart from that im positivve just worn out from all the stress of loosing money getting behind on rent its the same thing but over and over again im a headstrong fit and healthy positive person but even this is grinding me down, as you say i have 4 weeks of this **** left an im out of here just cant see how these sanctions are helping in any way all it does is pile more stress an worry on you feel for the poeple who are stuck in this situation!!!!!!! Another reason why i think posh eaton educated bellends should not be running the country!!!! I fell david cameron ha scapegoated anyone on benifits to the point that even employers thing jsa is for spongers and scroungers so in turn they wont take on many people at all from the job center

[Wolfchild]

Have you got in touch with your local British Legion office ? im ex-forces and they have immediate needs grants . they've helped me out in the past with things like this

[flumps1976]

What exactly have you been sanctioned for?

I may be able to help not all jcp staff are like that you know!

[BRIGADIER2JCS]

I dont let it drag me down its just very annoying im very close to getting off this system they can make it as hard as they want im still going to get off it, I just dont think sanctions are justified.

 

I dont have the paperwork for the army as of yet but my recruiter has promised me january intake just lit waiting for my doctor to tick a box an my start date will get released

 

unfourtunetly because i have no proof of income i cannot get a overdraft on my account plus i have 2 huge payday loan debts above my head for the last 2 times they put me on a sanction :/

 

apart from that im positivve just worn out from all the stress of loosing money getting behind on rent its the same thing but over and over again im a headstrong fit and healthy positive person but even this is grinding me down, as you say i have 4 weeks of this **** left an im out of here just cant see how these sanctions are helping in any way all it does is pile more stress an worry on you feel for the poeple who are stuck in this situation!!!!!!! Another reason why i think posh eaton educated bellends should not be running the country!!!! I fell david cameron ha scapegoated anyone on benifits to the point that even employers thing jsa is for spongers and scroungers so in turn they wont take on many people at all from the job center

 

Hello Chris,

I have been asked to take a look at your problem, must say I very much admire your attitude and courage in this situation!!

 

Let's look at the JSA scenario, I think you should contact TOYs r US and get written confirmation that they have received your application, this arrogant ''clerk'' should have contacted them immediately after she had stated she did not believe you, taking such punitive action without justification is dereliction of duty and a failure to exercise due diligence and a complaint to the JC+ MANAGEMENT is required asap.

 

Why not contact the RBL and or SAFA, you are eligible for help in this situation IT IS NOT SCROUNGEING in any way, you are committed to serve again in January

so don't hesitate, regimental welfare may also be more than willing to help here.

[Crazy Diamond]

As you are a pro-active, go get, type of guy.

Can I suggest, to lose the negative, crap, your getting from JC+

 

How about pop into your bank, and ask for an overdraft??

 

You go back into the forces, in january. I guess you must have paperwork to prove this.

 

Get some help from the bank, and [EDIT] the JC+

 

This advise would'nt help, most. But you are in fact, in a fortunate position.

I know, your feeling pretty aggreived..... and why not!

 

Just thought this would help improve, your sense, of wellbeing

 

Glass half full, and all that.

 

Get into debt for something he's entitled to? Are you George Osborne in disguise?

[BRIGADIER2JCS]

The op has already stated the bank will NOT help!!!!

[ScarletPimpernel]

I echo all that the Brig has said. ABF The Soldier's Charity can also provide grants to help tide you over until your reenlistment. Help 4 Heroes also provides a Quick Reaction Fund - I can find out more about this for you if you like.

[Crazy Diamond]

The op has already stated the bank will NOT help!!!!

Of course they won't, since when has a bank helped someone with no money?

[BRIGADIER2JCS]

Of course they won't, since when has a bank helped someone with no money?

 

The point is he should NOT be forced to borrow just to live.

[Crazy Diamond]

The point is he should NOT be forced to borrow just to live.

Yes, that was rather the point I was making in my first post.

[san_d]

Simple rule when attending Work Programme or JSA is to take a recording device with you and record these idiots.

 

You are giving me and idea but that would raise two questions:

 

1) Is it legal to record a conversation without informing the "victim"? Would he/she or the DWP then sue for breach of privacy?

 

2) I have a mp3 player that acts also as a recording device. How big the size of the file when recording a 10 min conversation? Nobody uses tapes anymore...

[Crazy Diamond]

 

1) Is it legal to record a conversation without informing the "victim"? Would he/she or the DWP then sue for breach of privacy?

 

Yes and no respectively.

 

See my post on the -long debated- topic here: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?374850-Covertly-recording-your-Atos-Assessment

 

 

 

2) I have a mp3 player that acts also as a recording device. How big the size of the file when recording a 10 min conversation? Nobody uses tapes anymore...

Depends on the quality of the recording, but generally speaking, a full CD album is about 45-60 MB for what, 8-10 x 3mns songs? An .avi file for a movie is about 700MBs and that's for 1.5 hours of sound AND video! As long as your mp3 player is relatively recent, it should have at least 1GB of memory so you should be fine. Best thing is to test it at home, record yourself talking for 10 mns and see how that works out in data size!