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My question is based on a sale of goods act and trading standards infringements by Xerox (UK) Ltd. What I need is an answer to the questions at the end but will try and tell you about our dispute.

I now have evidence, 6 years later, that Xerox (UK) Ltd and their Premier Partners Zerographic System Ltd sold, at the time, expensive digital printing presses that had a known fault and were over specified.

The document they used in their statements in Feb 2012 to say that we bought the wrong machine (the route of the dispute in 2006) was a Customer Expectation Document (CED) that was produced, by Xerox (UK) Ltd and dated 2 weeks after we bought the machine.

It was not known of, or shown to us, until Feb this year (2012) and during an investigation concerning this new evidence used against us we unearthed that in correspondence between Xerox & Zerographic’s, in 2010, that Zerographic’s themselves had not known of such a document existed until November 2010.

The CED specifications say at best the machine will only do 10,000 to 40,000 per month regularly, 5% to 20% of the brochure's specifications of up to 200,000 per month (there is no indication on the brochure that other specifications or technical information is available) and both Xerox and Zerographic’s did not make us aware of this discrepancy in pre negotiations of purchase (they could not as the CED did not exist at the time of purchase).

If they had it was obvious it would not do the 50,000 to 75,000 copies per month we needed and we would have bought the Canon Digital Press. I have 3 independent witness statements that support at no point at a trade show (6 weeks before purchase) did Xerox or their reps. say it was not suitable and in fact on they supported it was perfectly fine for our use. Xerox gave us the brochures at the show.

The twist and turns over the last 6 years I would need a week to explain.

In the end we were run in and out of court for CMC's and mediation which all made no sense until this document appeared in Feb 2012. We had spent over £180,000 in legal fees to end up at the beginning when we asked both in November 2006 to state why they say the machine was working within their specifications when in reality it was not even working closely to the specifications we had. They avoided replying to this until Feb 2012

In the end we went to court as litigants in person. No choice as we have run out of money. Solicitors only work if paid.

To say the hearing was a farce as we have £0 and they have an endless pot.

The reasons for the hearing are complex. What I need to know is very simple.

  1. Does anyone know the limitations in time to presenting a skeleton argument for a court hearing? I have been told it is 7 days prior.
  2. Does anyone know the rules and where I can find them?
  3. Does a lay representative have to have specific litigation knowledge or experience?

No 3 is contentious but the judge in our case refused our request specifically on the grounds of his lack of litigation experience even though he was a retired Police Chief Inspector. I was there but cannot defend myself when I am in such intimidating places. I also have a serious stress situation. I have checked and there are guidelines but nowhere I can find the specific reason the judge used.

Can anyone answer no 1 and 2 for me? 3 I am not too bothered but would like to know


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I have moved your thread to legal issues forums - I think you will attract more attention there :)


Will also flag your thread for site team - who might know the answers :)

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A McKenzie friend can be used, although more common in divorce cases it is becoming more usual in many civil cases.


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