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received a letter from Winged Messenger this morning


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I received a letter from Winged Messenger this morning

- addressed to the current occupier

- it was basic just asking me to phone a number to make contact as they are looking for someone.

 

After a google search I arrived here and now I know why I got this.

 

Around 10 years ago my husband and I defaulted on a debt, it wasnt much but to us it was massive after losing out jobs because of sickness.

 

My husband has a cracked spine and I am his full time carer.

 

Over the years we have had different people contact us and each time we offer some money but they get nasty and tell us it isnt enough.

 

It got so bad I had a breakdown.

 

For a year we gathered birthday/xmas gifts as money and got enough to pay for me to go bankrupt but never had enough for my husband.

 

I think this is connected to a text my husband got looking for both of us but the name and number was stranger so we ignored it.

 

Before this the last time a debt agency cotacted us was about 2 years ago ( my bankrupcy was around 7 years ago)

 

Can anyone help with advice on how to deal with these people.

 

We have less money now that before to try to even live on and with benefit cuts and bedroom tax we will have even less in the new year

- We live in Northern Ireland.

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check your CRA file me thinks

 

prob a fleecing dca trying it on.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

 

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

 

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

 

 

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The debt is over 10 years old, over the ten years I have tried to offer money but they always refused, sold the debt on and I start over again. This was a credit card debt.

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Tough, it's Statute Barred, send the foolish children this http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/content.php?408-Letter-sent-when-debt-is-statute-barred

 

then forget them, if they persist in harassing you for a debt you don't owe, then come back here and they can have both barrels. If you can you should send it recorded delivery, this will then give you strict proof of them receiving it , and should they persist, you will have solid evidence of them ignoring legislation and guidelines.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Name & Registered Office:

WINGED MESSENGER LIMITED

66/70 COOMBE ROAD

NEW MALDEN

SURREY

KT3 4QW

Company No. 03118947

 

 

spacer.gifspacer.gifspacer.gifspacer.gif Status: Active

Date of Incorporation: 27/10/1995

 

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company

Nature of Business (SIC):

74990 - Non-trading company

Accounting Reference Date: 31/12

Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/12/2011 (DORMANT)

Next Accounts Due: 30/09/2013

Last Return Made Up To: 13/10/2012

Next Return Due: 10/11/2013

Last Members List: 13/10/2012

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They are something to do with a company called Global Debt Recovery Ltd based here

 

PO Box 123D

New Malden

Surrey

KT3 4LW

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CCA Home Page :: CCA Search :: CCA Search Results :: Licence Details

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0322518

Licence Status:Current

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Global Debt Recovery Limited2597906

 

Categories:

 

Consumer credit Debt collecting Provision of credit information services, excluding credit repair

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

 

 

Trading Name(s) (Current):

 

Armstrong Recoveries Family Finance (New Malden) GDR GDR Collections Global Global Collections Intertrade Collections The Winged Messenger Tracing Associates

 

Trading Name(s) (Historic):

 

Inter Trade Collections Family Finance Family Finance UK Mortgage

 

Issued Date: 22-Sep-1991

Date Maintenance Payment Due: 23-Nov-2016

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Celia Bunyer David Crozier Jack Edward Bunyer

 

Historic Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Celia BunyerOFFICER David Crozier Mr Jack Edward BunyerOFFICER Ms Claire FreemanOFFICER Susan RallisonOFFICER

 

Nature of Business:

 

Debt Collection Other

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress CorrespondenceMilbourne House, 66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW, United Kingdom Principal Place Of BusinessMilbourne House, 66-70 Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Registered OfficeMilbourne House, 66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW, United Kingdom

 

Historic Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Correspondence66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Principal Place Of Business66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Registered Office66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Registered OfficeMilbourne House, 66-70 Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW

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The debt is over 10 years old, over the ten years I have tried to offer money but they always refused, sold the debt on and I start over again. This was a credit card debt.

 

If the debtor has admitted to the debt in writing within 6 years and the debt owner is aware of this, then is may still be enforceable as they could argue it is not statute barred.

 

Best thing to do is not respond and wait to see if they send further letters.

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I have never given anything in writing at all, it was always done with phonecalls, abuse then me hanging up - we have never wrote anything to anyone - thanks for the help I will let you know what happens

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NO NO NO

 

NEVER EVER phone a fleecing DCA.

 

you must have a paper trail

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

 

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

 

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

 

 

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I have never given anything in writing at all, it was always done with phonecalls, abuse then me hanging up - we have never wrote anything to anyone - thanks for the help I will let you know what happens

 

Oh good. See what they send next and report back.

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I have just received a letter from these idiots (winged messengers), Mind you they must think I am stupid because I dealt with them three years ago but last time it was Global Dept recovery (same people, just using another company name) I will string them along now for several months then inform them its and old dept and it is statue barred.........

 

 

List of Companys they run :

 

Winged messenger global dr ltd

Global dr ltd

Global Dept recovery limited

Global Direct services plc

Tower investigations ltd

Columbus investigations limited.

 

People (****) Who will be harassing you

 

Name : Susan Rallison

Officers Title: Ms

Date of Birth: 11-10-1959

Address: 66/70 Coombe Road

New Malden

KT3 4QW

Nationality: U. Kingdom

Director of following Companys

Global Dept recovery limited

Global Direct services plc

Tower investigations ltd

Columbus investigations limited.

 

Name : Jack Edward Bunyer

Officers Title : Mr

Date Of Birth : 15-08-1949

Address :

Address: 68 Coombe Road

New Malden

KT3 4QW

Nationality: U. Kingdom

Director of same Companies as Susan Rallison As well as these:

Winged messenger global dr ltd

Global Dr ltd

 

Name Celia Bunyer

Officers Title : Ms

Date of birth : 27-05-1954

Director of same companys as Jack Edward Bunyer

Address:

66 Coombe Road

New Malden

KT3 4QW

Nationality: U. Kingdom

 

I actually by passed the po box address they supplied with the letter and sent the statue barred letter directly to the director named above, It did the trick never heard from global again.

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Made the mistake of phoning Global Debt,

told them I can not pay on a debt that is over 10 years old.

 

I had left moving details 11 years ago with TSB but they never contacted me and with family illness and a breakdown myself they were the last thing on my mind.

 

Now after all this time I am getting letters, I tried to talk to them but they are snatty on the phone and I hung up

- is the status barr thing active in NI were I now live if the debt was taken out in England?

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Never phona DCA!!

 

If the debt is statute barred it's the same as the UK mainland 6 years no payment or written acknowledgment of the debt.

So send the following to the COMPLIANCE MANAGER at Global.

 

Ref: as on their letterrs

 

Sir,

 

I refer to recenyt correspondence regarding a debt for £xxx.xxx which you alleged is owed by me, take note I do not acknowledge any debt to Global Debt recovery or any company you may claim to represent.

 

Having reviewed my credit history I have concluded that any such alleged deb is STATUTE BARRED, therefore I will NOT make any payment in relation to the alleged debt

 

Should Global Debt Recovery wish to dispute the status of the alleged debt I remind you that the onus of providing proof that the alleged debt is not statute barred lies entirely with Global Debt Recovery, I do not have to prove the status of the debt.

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please keep to one thread per debt..

 

NEVER EVER phone a dca

 

you were told this back in jan too

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

 

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

 

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

 

 

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