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Hi...

i was caught shoplifting in tesco this morning,

the alarm went off and the jacket i had stuffed in a shopping bag was found by the guard.

..i had no receipt so he asked which till i went through.

..here is where it got messy.

 

..to try to wriggle out of it i made one up and the woman on there said no she hadn't served me

...the guard called the manager who went away to check whether i had gone through the till..

.i was severely panicking by now, sweating and feeling terribly ashamed that the fact my daughter needed a coat for school that i couldn't afford resulted in me trying to steal it.

 

..the guard went over to a till to get the woman to try to find the tag.

..while they were looking they just left me standing by the entrance

...so after about 2 minutes i just walked out, got in my car and drove home...in a state i might add.

 

..i have quite rightly spent the day and evening feeling totally ashamed, terrified of a knock on the door and have now got up at 3am as i cannot sleep.

 

..i am sick to my stomache.

 

..the jacket was priced at £26.

 

..they never asked my name or address.

 

..i had paid for some shopping with cash but used my clubcard.

..now what..

.will they come after me

...will the police be informed..

.what am i to do.

..i will add that i will never let the shame i felt at not being able to afford a coat for my child to let me do such a stupid thing again..

 

.please someone help me as i have been searching the internet for answers all day

 

...i am terrified of the repercushions and am thoroughly ashamed of myself.

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Welcome to the site.

Whilst we do not condone shoplifting,neither are we here to be passing judgments.

There has been no losses to Tesco and its unlikely that they would have a claim for severe disruption.

You admit to being sorry and express remorse.

There are two possible ways that they could identify you,the most likely is by reconciling your clubcard details against the data from the checkout you used for other purchases their CCTV camera footage from that checkout would make this easy for them.

The second option is using the Car Park managed CCTV.

Crime initiatives and co operation between businesses and local Police usually demand reporting of shoplifting or attempted thefts such as this,so it is very likely to have been logged.

It is impossible to say whether or not Tesco or any contracted security firm will pursue this further,you will just have to wait and see.

This should be a lesson learned in any event.

I will move your thread from here.

Please keep us updated if there are further developments.

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i doubt if anything will happen to you... try not to worry about it. and shop in asda!

 

I can't stop worrying-I havnt slept at all-I know this is ' getting what I deserve' But I am in such a state-I am physically shaking from the inside out-the shame I cannot put into words-lesson well & truly learned.

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I would like to add that i have no previous convictions, have never stolen more than a bar of chocolate as a child, hence, i think, the reason i got caught the first time i did it...it will most definitely be the last.

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As you left the store while the staff were still looking for the tag then its obvious that they were not sure whether you had attempted to steal the coat or not. As they have the coat back and have lost nothing they will more than likely choose to let it go as the cost in time and man power to track you down would be massive in comparrison to the loss they might have suffered.

Its just an oppinion based on the fact it would be a waste of resources considering the possible benefits to them should they track you down.

I'd say don't shop there in future and don't break the law again!

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Thank you for taking the time to reply to me...i really hope that Tesco do let this go without tracking me down...im still shaking from the whole experience...how prolific shoplifters cope i don't know...you mention the cost of them tracking me down but i used my clubcard minutes before, my car number plate, and i live local, also some of the staff know me...not sure whether they saw what was happening as they were all busy working and the whole thing only lasted 10 minutes...thanks for your advice to not break the law in future...i can tell you now i won't as i have found out the hard way that i would never be able to cope with life as a petty thief.

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Prolific shoplifters 'cope' either because they do it as a lifestyle choice, or they're so desperate that the consequences are irrelevant to them.

 

Making one, spur of the moment decision to try something silly with a £25 coat doesn't make you the newest member of the Kray gang, and nor should you waste another minute of your life worrying about it.

 

Find somewhere else to shop and move on - from what you've said about how worried you are, I can't imagine that it's something you'll be trying again.

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Hello there.

 

I don't know if this suggestion would suit you or your daughter, but clothes are available from charity shops for not too much or from freegle/freecycle for nothing from people whose kids have outgrown the clothes.

 

My best, HB

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Absolutely - Freecycle is possibly the greatest invention of all time!

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Agree.

Although Charity shops are seeing donations dipping due to the increase of businesses offering cash for clothes.

I have had 3 leaflets from different firms in last few weeks.

The going rate seems to be 50p a kilo and they even collect for free.

World cotton prices seem to have a lot to do with it.

I saw a report where some dodgy outfits with charity status are exporting clothes tax free to handlers in Eastern Europe.Here the clothes are pressed given new labels packaged and sold.

Its not right.

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Car boot sales I would say are a good place to find second hand clothing at very good prices too.

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I do shop in the local charity shop & also donate a great deal to them...i have 4 children to provide for! It is hard when they are teenagers & want modern clothes but a primark has just opened up near us so that will be a great help. The item i took was one of those moments when i thought 'she would love this' i couldn't afford it so just stuffed it in my bag...god the shame just typing it! never again...people on here are so kind to not judge me or make me feel any worse than i already do...it overwhelms me x

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Primark is actually cheaper than the charity shops for some things!

 

Anyway, I think it's safe to say that your career as a master thief is definitely over...move on and stop worrying about it!

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Today 'they' came...i had a visit from the local police...at first they asked me to go down the station for a caution, but once they could see how sorry i am, what effect it has had on me, the circumstances of why i did it, they then changed their minds and offered me (1)- a caution,(2)- a ticket with an £80 fine or (3)- the chance to explain myself to Tesco and apologise by way of a letter...i took the later option. I was very upset throughout the whole ordeal but told them i was actually glad they came as i have been so terrified of the knock on the door, that i wanted to take the punishment and try! to put it behind me...the police said i should stop worrying so much & indeed, put it down to experience, and move on. Needless to say i have had another horrible day...lots of tears, the thing i fear the most is my children finding out, i know someone who works there so they had to give a statement but the police asked if i would like them to ask this woman to be professional about it and keep it to herself, which i am soo grateful for. The overwhelming feeling throughout all of this has been shame...if someone else was telling me this story i would understand why they stole, but it is very different when it is you going through it. I will always strive to never ever break the law again, i promise this to myself, my kids and anyone else who is interested.

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I can't believe that I've just read this to be honest, Katie. They actually sent the Police round for a £25 coat that they didn't even lose?

 

I've never heard anything so absurd in my life. If it helps you move on, then I'm happy for you, though. I've never doubted that you are genuinely sorry and that you won't do it again.

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You should forget all about this from now and never let it into your mind ever again.

If anything is said in the future just deny the whole thing. You are so obviously sorry for what you did and I have no doubt you won't ever want to put yourself through that again.

 

I must agree with LG. I can't believe they went to all that effort to send the police round. Ridiculous!

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Katie

It's very very obvious, that you a remorseful, for what you have done.

 

To post up with great honesty, and integrety, on a forum (even though it's anonymous)

is a very hard thing to do. Because you read your own words.

 

Not ending up with a police caution, is a result!!

And having to explain yourself to the store, is a right and just punishment, but only in your case

 

You have now done the time, for the crime, and I belive you have paid heavily.

It's time to blow a huge sigh of relief, and move on.

 

Promising never to let yourself, be that weak again.

 

Good luck to you, and yours!!

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