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Hello,

 

My first post, so I say 'Hey', I plan to hang around. Secondly, I apologise if this has been covered before, but if anyone can give me some information or this it would be greatly appreciated.

 

I started claiming JSA 5 weeks ago after becoming redundant.

 

JSA agreement was fine and my signing on days usually went fine, the adviser pleasant enough where they print off vacancies. 4 weeks ago I went into sign on and received 6 jobs to apply for. 2 weeks later, I return and the adviser asks me individually about each job and told them that I did apply for them all baring one, which I forgot and must have misplaced the print out as the job didn't ring a bell.

 

Roll on a week later, I received a ES195REJP asking me why I refused employment/applied for a job.

I have now replied on that form about misplacing the paper awaiting the outcome of this decision - which I have mentally prepared will be returned with a sanction.

 

I have set up a file on my e-mail of all jobs that I have I applied for over the past few weeks after hearing this. My JSA agreement was to apply for 6 jobs a week and I'm on average applying for at leas 2 or 3 jobs a day and have evidence in this folder. I also contacted the employer regarding the job I did not apply for asking if it is possible to still apply, but was told the position is now filled.

 

This is my first 'offence' as such and fully expect to be penalised for this and will take my medicine but I feel frustrated at this as I am everyday spending 2-3 hrs a day looking for work and I wonder if I had just said 'Yeah, not heard anything back'. I wouldn't be in this pickle.

 

Sorry I am rambling, but main queries are

-How long likely would a sanction be and would this inbox full of 'evidence' of jobs and such, help such an appeal if I am facing a long period of no payment.

 

I moved back to my folks house a few weeks back since I became unemployed so I am grateful to have a roof under my head, and plan to hopefully move out if I find a job asap.

 

Thanks again for reading this.

 

Joe.

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It won't matter if it's your first or 10th offence, they will be looking at the reasons why you failed to apply for the vacancy in question.

If the closing date was prior to 22nd October then you could be looking at a sanction between 2 and 26 weeks and if it was after 22nd October you could be facing anything between 2 and 26 weeks for the sanction.

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It won't matter if it's your first or 10th offence, they will be looking at the reasons why you failed to apply for the vacancy in question.

If the closing date was prior to 22nd October then you could be looking at a sanction between 2 and 26 weeks and if it was after 22nd October you could be facing anything between 2 and 26 weeks for the sanction.

 

Thanks for your reply. I replied stating I must have misplaced it so I suppose I am in for it, by being honest

 

I'm hoping that with a print out of emails and applications sent out that the sanction is a small one, but not holding my breath and take this as far as I can.

 

I know I've done wrong but it was an honest mistake, and I am contacting employers and completing job application forms every single day trying to find employment.

 

Heading in on Friday to the jobcente for a signing on day.

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yep its an unfortunate position to be in...honesty these days are not the best policy...as it can seriously damage your 'wealth'

as above the new sanctions are draconian in nature, and are being applied with impunity im afraid.....hope it all goes well for you...and good luck with the job search....

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4 weeks ago I went into sign on and received 6 jobs to apply for. 2 weeks later, I return and the adviser asks me individually about each job and told them that I did apply for them all baring one, which I forgot and must have misplaced the print out as the job didn't ring a bell.

 

Honesty doesn't pay with the DWP.


"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for Poundland"

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Thanks to all for your responses.

 

I'm in tomorrow to sign on so will report back to let you know.

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Hi bialoman,

 

good luck with this. From my limited experience of signing on (after a number of years in employment) it would seem that you may just be unlucky with your 'job advisor' as well. I have signed on with one or two different advisors - one or two are reasonable enough - but there is also my 'regular' advisor who seems super keen just to get me off claiming the JSA benefit..... full stop. Like I am happy to be on £71 a week (no HB payments) rather than a full time wage!

 

I also got a redundancy payment which will tide me over for a few months. I feel really sorry for those who are up against it financially and have to contend with the 'attitude' of some advisors, which could cost them weeks/months in lost benefits due to the new sanctions that are now in place. I can't wait to get back to full-time work.

 

Let us know how it went!

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Thanks, Lorraine. I agree though, it's almost pot luck on who you get. I signed on about 4 years ago for 2 months and my adviser then was so snotty and ignorant and treated me like a child. I was always told to turn up 10 mins before and often I would be kept waiting for 15-20 mins to sign on, yet as soon as you are 1 minute late, they are on your case.

 

I'm just back from the jobcentre. My adviser is helpful and friendly. When I asked her about it and what type of penalty I would receive she mentioned that as its a first offence and that she can tell I am working hard to find employment that it would ''hopefully be a week or two at the very most, if sanctioned''.

I'll just have to wait and see what happens over the next few days through the mail. If it is a 2 week fine/sanction, I would probably just accept it but any longer then I will fight it as it was a mistake, I was never informed I had to apply for every job printed out and I have proof that I am applying for jobs every single day.

 

Hope you are doing ok too and we both find something soon. :) I too am dying to get back out there. I've just put my name down to volunteer in the charity shop on a Tuesday and Thursday and looking forward to that and keeping myself busy.

 

Take care and thanks to everyone for their replies and interest.

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san_d it won't be a referral for first lower level sanction though sorry it will be a first higher level sanction unfortunately

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Thanks for the link, san.

 

So I received a letter from the Jobcentre today ;

 

''A doubt has arisen in your claim for JSA bla bla.....

A decision will be made if JSA will be affected and will be notified asap, etc etc''

They also enclosed a ESL 48 (a guidance form with info on how/what may be affected and what to do if I am sanctioned etc).

 

I made up a letter to either use as an appeal or send in earlier detailing how I've tried to apply for the position that I forgot to apply for, proof of applications during that period that I sent via e-mail and online and how I am actively seeking work.

I fully expect a sanction, but I hope with proof of jobseeking and a letter of explanation, I may get it reduced to a smaller time frame.

 

Would it be best to hang off to hear their outcome? Or hand in my appeal letter on Monday to the JC office?

 

Does anyone have recent experience of this? Or fighting it in similar circumstances.

 

I'm so fed up of this already and it's not even a week long and I'm yet to hear the outcome. I know it's my mistake for being careless and I should have been more careful to not misplace the printout.

 

Anyhoos, once again, thank to you all for your help and time in replying to me

 

:)

 

Jo.

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Edited by san_d
mistake sorry

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for Poundland"

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I would wait for the outcome decision as until you know what you are facing you won't know if it has been accepted or if you need to request a reconsideraton and/or appeal

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Hey folks,

 

My money from signing on Friday has now gone in which I wasn't expecting at all considering the letter I received on Saturday(A decision will be made if JSA will be affected, etc).

 

See what happens over the next few days.

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Well, I got the letter today. Some near on 3 weeks since the original, so I can only imagine how long this appeal will now take, but anyhoos.

 

''We have now decided you have failed to apply for this employment and you didn't have good reasons etc etc. This decision applies from 8 December 2012 to 4 January 2013.''

 

Then it mentions hardship payments (but doesn't state if this a loan, or how you apply for this?

 

It also then says ''We cannot pay you JSA from 5 Jan 2013 or been credited with, enough Class 1 N.I contributions''.

 

Again, I can't thank you all enough for your help in this, but if anyone could answer a couple of questions I would be very grateful

 

1. Is a hardship payment a loan, as in would you have to pay it back?

2.Although I'm getting penalised for a month, my allowance will not be extended after the 5th due to not enough NI contributions. Are there any other benefits that anyone knows of that I could attempt to apply for?

 

I'm away to print of the appeal form and send it back today to their office (I expect this will take weeks and with it being Christmas soon, possibly longer) but does anyone have any experience of appealing? I had an idea of sending in prints of my 'Jobsearch' section I have in my 'Inbox' of all the jobs that I have applied for as backing documents and my arguments for appealing.

 

Thank you to you all for your help, I am really grateful.

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When your contributions run out, you may be bale to apply for income based JSA.

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In order to claim hardship you will also need to make the application to determine if you woul be entitled to Income Based JSA you do this on form JSA3.

Hardship is not a loan it is a payment in lieu of JSA and is reduced by either 20% or 40%.

You will need to read the notes part of the JSA10JP application form carefully and provide any devidence it states is required to detrmine if your application can be accepted to be considered.

You can submit your additional information showing all the other jobsearch you conducted however as you didn't apply for the one specified vacancy unless you can show that you did apply for that one it won't change the decision sorry. When you submit the appeal it will automatically be referred for a reconsideration.

You can collect the JSA and JSA10 from your JCP office.

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Hi again

 

Thanks for getting back to me with the helpful information :)

 

I managed to get through to the local jobcentre, they have sent out a JSA10 form for hardship payments.

I appealed the decision, not expecting a reversal, but see how it goes.

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I had a sanction applied and got it reversed so with a good argument it is possible.

 

In my case, I was looking for IT support jobs, my jobseeker agreement had some stuff on from years back about admin jobs, an admin job was mentioned to me but it wasnt really admin, it had something to do with test firing weapons at the MOD base at Shoeburyness, anyway this job wasnt ITSupport, it wasnt even Admin so i didnt apply, also I was not informed during the interview that I had to apply,. it was just mentioned in passiung, my letter to JC was very angry and I pointed out all these facts and no sanction was applied.

 

As mentioned honesty isnt always the best policy you must play them at their own game, dont give them any reason to doubt, personally I'd say I had applied and quickly fire off a letter. In my last job search I was applying for sometimes 100 a week so could never keep track.

 

Please to say Im in temp job at the mo with new perm one starting in Jan :)

 

Andy

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Good to hear that, Andy. Will let you know if I do manage to succeed and appealing.

 

I've got a hardship loan form in the post the JC have said.

 

Great also that you secured some work.

 

Cheers.

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Google the case of Mr K,he well and truly shafted them for buggering him around.

 

any chance of a link

 

mr k

 

not much to go on

 

 

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Interesting how the DWP harasses its victims:

Jobcentre Plus decided that, before they would implement the tribunal’s decision, they needed evidence of how he had supported himself while they had not been paying him.

 

So, first they take your benefits away, then they want to know how you support yourself without the benefits.


"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for Poundland"

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Crazy isn't san_d?

 

I live 8 miles outside of my local jobcentre office and I am currently on a 4 week sanction. I'd like to know how they expect me to travel in when I have no money coming in. I have a huge interest in exercise and run/cycle/walk regularly but even a 16 mile route in the current weather would be too much.

 

It's pot luck it seems. I've learned a lesson from all this and not a good or honest one and that is do not tell the truth!

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What I don't understand is how the Job Centre can prove they gave you details of the position. Do they keep logs of what was printed off? From my perspective, your adviser asked if you applied for a job you didn't know existed.

 

I would argue you weren't actually told about the vacancy until it was too late to apply for it, and ask them to prove otherwise.

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