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    • the Town and Country [advertisments ] Regulations 2007 are not easy to understand. Most Council planing officials don't so it's good that you found one who knows. Although he may not have been right if the rogues have not been "controlling" in the car park for that long. The time only starts when the ANPR signs go up, not how long the area has been used as a car park.   Sadly I have checked Highview out and they have been there since at least 2014 . I have looked at the BPA Code of Practice version 8 which covers 2023 and that states Re Consideration and Grace Periods 13.3 Where a parking location is one where a limited period of parking is permitted, or where drivers contract to park for a defined period and pay for that service in advance (Pay & Display), this would be considered as a parking event and a Grace Period of at least 10 minutes must be added to the end of a parking event before you issue a PCN. It then goes on to explain a bit more further down 13.5 You must tell us the specific consideration/grace period at a site if our compliance team or our agents ask what it is. 13.6 Neither a consideration period or a grace period are periods of free parking and there is no requirement for you to offer an additional allowance on top of a consideration or grace period. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________So you have  now only overstayed 5 minutes maximum since BPA quote a minimum of 10 minutes. And it may be that the Riverside does have a longer period perhaps because of the size of the car park? So it becomes even more incumbent on you to remember where the extra 5 minutes could be.  Were you travelling as a family with children or a disabled person where getting them in and out of the car would take longer. Was there difficulty finding a space, or having to queue to get out of the car park . Or anything else that could account for another 5 minutes  without having to claim the difference between the ANPR times and the actual times.
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I was just wondering where I stand on this. The company has changed the rules on fuel cards and have given us a cut off date for inputting our mileage otherwise they will bill us for the whole amount (which we claim back later on when we get time) which can be a fortune as we are field engineers and quite often drive 3000 miles+ a month. The issue is that before, we used to fill in a form which we signed agreeing to the fact that we had done say, 123 private miles in a month and they would bill us accordingly and it would be taken from our salary. The trouble is now, they can take the whole amount which could be in the hundreds leaving us out of pocket and unable to pay for example the mortgage at the beginning of the month and thus losing the house because thay are with holding mooney that is rightfully ours. We quite often are unable to log on and input mileage as we are out in the field and the intranet is shocking plus surely they cany hold our salary back!!

 

I believe this to be a massive change in my Ts & Cs and could lead to financial problems, and we have not signed anything to agree with it.. I hope some one can advise..

 

Regards, Desperate Rich.

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How long are they giving you to record the mileage?

 

As they aren't changing the financial terms, it sounds like you shouldn't have any problem as long as you're organised! The only problem would be if they delayed the correct payment or didn't give you adequate time to claim.

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We have to submit the week before pay day. This is not a problem if you are sitting in front of your computer in the office everyday, but we are often out for weeks at a time and where as we used to sign a form and mail it in and the bill was worked out and we agreed it by signing it, now we have to log on to the company site and input the information on a system which is not very reliable. The issue is not paying the private mileage, its the fact they could take maybe up to £400+ out of my salary at the beginning of the month if I miss the cut off, thus making me default on bills etc, when most of that money (bar the private mileage) is legally mine.Plus why are they taking it off my salary when it comes off a fuel card.. It just seems big firms are trying to get one over on you when you spend your life on the motorways for them..

 

Becky, they are changing the financial terms massively because they can take the whole bill out of your salary, until you prove the miles were not just private miles. and we have to be very organised, trust me.

 

Cheers..

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Becky, the details have been removed from the companies intra web, and there is nothing in our contracts as they were given to us at a later date as we were paying by our own credit cards and claiming it back, it was getting too expensive so we were issued with fuel cards/

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I have asked for assistance here, NOT what you do in your company.. I assume none of you are in the legal proffession and are just putting in what you THINK is correct.. Are they allowed to just change the way they do it not... I have been led to believe NO they cant but would like someone with a bit of knowledge to reply..

 

Rich..

 

By the way you cant put the claim when you havent done the miles!!!!!!!! ie two weeks earlier.

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I have asked for assistance here, NOT what you do in your company.. I assume none of you are in the legal proffession and are just putting in what you THINK is correct.. Are they allowed to just change the way they do it not... I have been led to believe NO they cant but would like someone with a bit of knowledge to reply..

 

Rich..

 

By the way you cant put the claim when you havent done the miles!!!!!!!! ie two weeks earlier.

 

I don't think an aggressive rant is going to help you. Nor will it now make anyone else want to help - being rude isn't going to get you anywhere!

 

I do work in a relevant field, by the way. The forum is also full of HR professionals and trade union reps. You come to a forum, you're going to have people give their opinions - what else did you expect?

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I don't think an aggressive rant is going to help you. Nor will it now make anyone else want to help - being rude isn't going to get you anywhere!

 

 

Have to agree - you asked for opinions, and these are often formed on the basis of what appears to be 'normal' practice - it is a little unfair to cast aspersions about the qualification or otherwise of people who offer help, even if this is limited to their own situation. Appreciate the fact that this could potentially leave you out of pocket, but the legal position is that the employer CAN change policy - and you CAN question the fairness of them doing so on the grounds that you have outlined. If there is an official written policy, then it makes it harder for them to move the goalposts, but not impossible. They would need to consult, and a part of that consultation would be the objection on the grounds of limited access to the internet and discussions as to how that may be overcome.

 

Ask about the company's grievance procedure, and use it to challenge what they are proposing to do, giving real life examples of occasions where this would fall foul of any change in policy.

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Well thats better, and sorry, didnt mean to upset people...

 

And I will look at the gievance policy... Which should be interesting considering we have no HR anymore locally, it is all based in India.. I will question the fairness of it as some people do up to 2k a week while chasing ambulances for repairs to radios, it was never an issue before and some of the guys dont earn very much at all and really cant afford to even risk that amount of money being withheld.. I am still absolutely amazed they can withhold your salary.. Time for a new job I think...

Many thanks..

 

Great forum by the way

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The other angle to look at is that Section 13 of the Employment Rights Act offers considerable protection from Unlawful Deductions. Unless by statute (tax, national insurance) or a court ordered deduction (attachment order) etc, the employer may only deduct money which you have agreed to as part of your contract, or by other written agreement.

 

Therefore - if your contract (or any associated employee handbook, public notice etc) makes no mention of fuel card purchases being clawed back from salary, and you have not subsequently agreed to this, then any deduction is quite possibly unlawful. Always a good one to throw to an employer trying to take money from wages as they know that to defend a Tribunal action will cost them - hugely!

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