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    • please answer the following questions.   1 Date of the infringement- 21/06/19   2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]- 12/07/19   3 Date received 15/07/19   4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? N I can't see it   5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes a ANPR Camera showing arrival and exit but separate parking machine in car park not at gates    6 Have you appealed? Y Post up your appeal] I am waiting for a copy of my appeal but I have other emails sent i can send  Have you had a response? Y. Email was never sent as they stated on 29th July. Finally got the notice of regection sent by email on 3rd Oct.    7 Who is the parking company? National Car Parks Limited owned by Park24.co   8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] NCP, Terrace Road, Bournemouth    For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Not on the letter but found on line its BPA   There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure, BPA please check HERE   If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here   in either case scan up bothsides of any letters/tickets in or appeals made out to ONE MULTIPAGE PDF ONL
    • Not much point in appealing. You paid for 4 hours and stayed for an extra 45 minutes. Goes to show what a bunch of crooks you are dealing with when you first appealed they delayed their response until you came liable for the higher charge and they wouldn't reduce that sum. From now on just ignore everything you get from NCP  and their unregulated debt collectors (birds of a feather). They will try to frighten you with increased costs  that you can safely ignore. In the  meantime please complete the questions asked by dx above and post up any PCNs so we can see if they got them right. Also we need to see their signs in the car park especially the one at the entrance; any that are different from the others and the T and Cs on the ticket machine. Before posting the PCNs please delete your name and reg. number plus anything else that might identify yourself.  
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    • Thanks dx   I have emailed the business and I have requested a refund on the form provided by them.   I have noticed on Saga.co.uk there is an article referring to the same website and a paragraph from another motorist who also received PCN for same journey at around same time as us.  'At the end of November 2018 I was travelling on the M 25 over the Dartford Bridge and returning the next day. So I went online the night before and thought I had paid for a return journey at a cost of £12. My Tesco MasterCard shows a payment of £12 to “DartfordCrossingCharge Bristol 000“. I have now had to pay £70 fine plus the correct charge of £5 because the official site did not get my money. There must be so many people being tricked by this false website , sowhy can it not be taken down? The Dart Crossing company isn’t interested. Perhaps because they are also making money from the [problem] every time someone like me makes a mistake?'
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TfL have launched their newest consultation on the future of the Congestion Charge scheme. Proposals include:

 

Increasing the penalty charge to £130 (up from £120).

Removing the option to pay for the daily charge in shops and petrol stations.

Creating Ultra Low Emission Discount to replace the current Greener Vehicle Discount.

 

Closing date for views and completing the questionnaire is 08/02/13.

 

Link to the consultation is below, also a summary is available at my blog.

 

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/congestioncharging

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The congestion charge has been so successful that they are losing money so need to recoup it by other means! It has nothing to do with congestion any more.

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The congestion charge has been so successful that they are losing money so need to recoup it by other means! It has nothing to do with congestion any more.

 

If you consider a net income after operating costs of £173 million a loss, then you are correct but you are probably the only person on here that considers that a loss!! :lol:

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You could think of it as a loss if it isn't generating the expected income.

 

Perhaps a better phrase would be "a shortfall against anticipated revenue". :)

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You could think of it as a loss if it isn't generating the expected income.

 

Perhaps a better phrase would be "a shortfall against anticipated revenue". :)

 

It went up £20 million from the year before so I find that hard to believe.

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I dont have time right now to read the full consultation but why are they considering removing the facility to pay the charge at petrol statations and shops !! Surely they should be making it easier to pay instead of more difficult?

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I dont have time right now to read the full consultation but why are they considering removing the facility to pay the charge at petrol statations and shops !! Surely they should be making it easier to pay instead of more difficult?

 

they have made it easier making the shops etc redundant as most people pre register and get it debited upon entry or people pay on the phone

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Pre registering a debit card with TfL is all well and good if the motorist visits the charging zone on a frequent basis. This is not at all suitable for those who visit London on rare occasions.

 

The other problem with registering a card is that if there are insufficient funds in the account on the day that the charge is due, Transport for London CANCEL the register by card facility.

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Pre registering a debit card with TfL is all well and good if the motorist visits the charging zone on a frequent basis. This is not at all suitable for those who visit London on rare occasions.

 

The other problem with registering a card is that if there are insufficient funds in the account on the day that the charge is due, Transport for London CANCEL the register by card facility.

 

 

 

You don't need to register with TfL to pay by card, you can still just go to the website and pay on the day, or the higher rate the day after. That part of the proposal doesn't really bother me too much as I think that method can cause difficulties in itself. You can basically end up with situation where a minimum wage cashier is entering incorrect reg details to TfL, or even giving misleading information about how to pay (wrong day, amount etc...), which can then result in a PCN. I have seen appeals for both issues and it's difficult to appeal because TfL don't accept liability for mistakes caused by a cashier.

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The congestion charge has been so successful that they are losing money so need to recoup it by other means! It has nothing to do with congestion any more.

 

It never was about congestion, it was only about catching commuters from the other end before bringing in the Oyster card.

My daily commute consists of roughly seven miles to work but unfortunately through three zones where there is no direct connection. I have to carry a large musical instrument meaning the bike or sharing a lift weren't viable

I only started using a car in London because the option of train/tube/bus were just as expensive even with the cost of an annual ticket. Next year, unless my insurance goes up dramatically, the car will save me about £400 each year.

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It never was about congestion, it was only about catching commuters from the other end before bringing in the Oyster card.

 

Both Oyster and the CC were introduced in 2003 making your claim a bit hollow.

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Both Oyster and the CC were introduced in 2003 making your claim a bit hollow.

And yet you fail to make the link.

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I dont have time right now to read the full consultation but why are they considering removing the facility to pay the charge at petrol statations and shops !! Surely they should be making it easier to pay instead of more difficult?

Official explanation is that very few people now use it and it costs a lot to administer, so removing it saves a lot of money while causing little inconvenience.

 

Cynic's explanation is that everyone who doesn't pay the CC ends up paying a £60 penalty, so the more difficult it is to pay the better.

 

I make no comment on which one I favour. ;)

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Official explanation is that very few people now use it and it costs a lot to administer, so removing it saves a lot of money while causing little inconvenience.

 

Cynic's explanation is that everyone who doesn't pay the CC ends up paying a £60 penalty, so the more difficult it is to pay the better.

 

I make no comment on which one I favour. ;)

 

Being realistic how many get a PCN because they cannot find a place to pay? If you knew you had entered and were going to get a PCN if you didn't pay would you really be unable to make a phone call for 2 days?

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And yet you fail to make the link.

 

No what is the link between paying to drive into London and having smart cards for cashless travel?

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No what is the link between paying to drive into London and having smart cards for cashless travel?

 

The requirement for anyone, regardless of how, and how far they commute, to fund TFL bureaucracy regardless of how pollution levels are mismanaged . Keep up !

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The requirement for anyone, regardless of how, and how far they commute, to fund TFL bureaucracy regardless of how pollution levels are mismanaged . Keep up !

 

Oyster cards are not compulsory so how does that statement make any sense?

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Being realistic how many get a PCN because they cannot find a place to pay?

Not many I imagine. My tongue in my cheek somewhat.

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Oyster cards are not compulsory so how does that statement make any sense?

 

Oyster cards, but the virtue of a discounted way of travel compared to money, entice preople in to use them.

But they are not just cards, the information within them allows the authority to;

check on your whereabouts almost anywhere in the zones,

track somebody in real time,

identify the routes in certain areas that may not be using public transport efficiently, and the service is then cut to the detriment of a minority that can't do without..

 

Oh, and the database is sold onto all sorts of other agencies.

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Oyster cards, but the virtue of a discounted way of travel compared to money, entice preople in to use them.

But they are not just cards, the information within them allows the authority to;

check on your whereabouts almost anywhere in the zones,

track somebody in real time,

identify the routes in certain areas that may not be using public transport efficiently, and the service is then cut to the detriment of a minority that can't do without..

 

Oh, and the database is sold onto all sorts of other agencies.

 

You do not have to register your card so if you do not want to be tracked then you don't register.....simple. Bus routes that do not have customers have always been identifiable since people pay and get a ticket, if they sell no tickets it means no passengers, thats not rocket science is it? The database is covered by the data protection act and cannot be sold. You obviously never use buses, if you think waiting at each stop for a queue of people to pay, get ticket and get change is better than cashless travel you are mad. Plus you still haven't explained why the congestion charge and oyster being launched in the same year is some Tfl consiracy?

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You do not have to register your card so if you do not want to be tracked then you don't register.....simple.

 

Ha ha. Non registered Oyster cards initiate image taking from journey start to finish, putting a face to a place.

 

CCTV

 

There is CCTV on all buses, as well as at bus, Tube, DLR and London Overground stations:

  • Buses - All buses and bus stations now have CCTV cameras
  • Tube - The Tube station network has more than 13,000 CCTV cameras, with additional cameras on trains and even more being added as part of our Tube upgrade plan
  • DLR - CCTV cameras are in every station and on every train

2003 was a good year to commence operation big brother. ITSO compliance includes data protection, however Oyster from Cubic CTS is - some say- designed to fall short of the standard(s), so the data collected can be passed round.

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Ha ha. Non registered Oyster cards initiate image taking from journey start to finish, putting a face to a place.

 

CCTV

 

There is CCTV on all buses, as well as at bus, Tube, DLR and London Overground stations:

  • Buses - All buses and bus stations now have CCTV cameras
  • Tube - The Tube station network has more than 13,000 CCTV cameras, with additional cameras on trains and even more being added as part of our Tube upgrade plan
  • DLR - CCTV cameras are in every station and on every train

2003 was a good year to commence operation big brother. ITSO compliance includes data protection, however Oyster from Cubic CTS is - some say- designed to fall short of the standard(s), so the data collected can be passed round.

 

You really are a fruit loop, every time you have been proven wrong you bring up more rubbish! If TFL want to film me bored on a bus looking out the window they are very welcome. We have gone from a consiracy to get everyone on Oyster cards by bringing in the congestion charge to cctv on buses is there anything you don't think is a huge plot?

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What do people think about the 75g/km CO2 requirement for the new scheme? It sounds pretty ambitious to me, there are only a handful of vehicles that currently meet that level.

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I think it's none apart from EV's.

 

It's proper bad though, the government getting everyone to spend £5k more on a standard Fiesta to get one that emits 99g/km emissions on the promise of free tax, no congestion charge etc... And then changing the goal posts AGAIN.

 

It's almost as bad as the lack of a rolling 25 year tax-exempt system.

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