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    • Thanks dx, will do this tomorrow morning when I have access to a pc (find it easier and quicker than my mobile). Just having a good old read through similar threads atm. Wow some of this jargon is hard to take in 😳.  Thank you for your support x
    • please complete this:   and scan up bothsides of your NTK read upload carefully PDF only please!!   safe to ignore powerless DCA's they are not bailiffs  
    • yes ring the court and get it moved directions might stay the same though for fee/WS exchange mind.   dx   dx  
    • Driver entered car park run by CEL Ltd . Tried to purchase lozenges  at Pharmacy , saw it was busy so left . Time there approximately 5 minutes . Left to go to pick up some goods a couple of miles away .   I have a copy of a collection of goods note with an approximate time on it   Stayed a while to chat with client On return journey stopped  to try again . Bought lozenges and left . There were no restrictions on returning    ANPR cameras registered first entry and last exit    Was sent photos showing vehicle with 2 blown up with the times on them   Company refuses to divulge landlord or show contract ....said it was data protection ! Photo of a sign blown up .....could be anywhere !   Been to site itself . No signs at entrance . When entering from main road nothing !   Where there is parking a few signs visible depending on parking space . Large sign on an external wall which can only be seen when walking out or entering from side road on the left .   After a number of letters  I received demands from ZZPS ....a “debt collector “. They gave up on that !   This incident took pace in February . Now a Letter Before Court requesting details of my salary and how I intend to pay the debt    The length of stay is 40 minutes . Tiny car park !   Do know why there are even limits . Length of stay maybe 15 minutes in total . It is madness   The pack of lozenges cost £185 !   Am 72 years old with multiple health problems ! Cannot let these cowboys win . Feel as though I am being intimida ted . Very stressful ! Any  advice please ? I have drafted  together bits from all over the place ! Need it to stop ASAP !
    • Hi    This is my draft WS, please do let me know of nay changes or additions required, thanks.    IN THE County Court AT                                                                              CLAIM NO:      BETWEEN: CABOT FINANCIAL (UK) LIMITED   -and- (DEFENDANT)     ___________________________________________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF        INTRODUCTION    1. I, XXXX, the Defendant in this case, make this statement in support of my defence against the Claimant, Cabot Financial (UK) Limited.  The matters set out below are within my own knowledge, except where I indicate to the contrary.    THE DEFENDANT’S RESPONSE TO THE CLAIMANT’S WITNESS STATEMENT    2. The Claimant states in Paragraph 3, ‘….refer to various documents, true copiesof which are contained in the paginated bundle to this statement marked “JK”1’, but then states in para 4, ‘Acopy of the reconstituted agreementwith associated terms and conditions….pages 1-10’. There are 3 versions attached of the alleged Agreement and Terms & Conditions and according to para 4 they are not the original but ‘a reconstitutedversion’. They have attached 3 Agreements namely, ‘Original Agreement’, ‘Default Agreement’ and ‘Terms of your Capital One Credit Card Agreement’.  The Claimant has provided 3 sets of generic/reconstituted Agreement and Terms & conditions.     3. The Claimant in Para 4 also states ‘On or around 5thNovember 2012 the Defendant entered into a Credit Card Agreement,’ but Page 2 of JK1 has a date inserted 2/11/2012.  It has my name, address and a date inserted in the form but no mention of how the agreement was made, online, post or telephone, and furthermore not mentioned in the Claimant’s Witness Statement.     4. As a rule of thumb I always ensure that no 3rdparty is to contact me or to send me marketing information via telephone, post or electronically’, but Page 2 of JK1 has an unticked box, another indication that this is not an original agreement.    5. Page 5 of JK1 has too many typo mistakes in the heading as follows: TERMSOF YOUR CAPITALONE CREDITCARD AGREEMENT, furthermore there are no ‘full stop’ punctuations at the end of each sentence, this surely cannot be a document sent out by Capital One.     6. The Claimant states in Para 9 that my defence is a ‘templated defence’, requesting documents pursuant of CPR 31.14 and Section 78 of the Credit Card Act 1974, this is a defendant’s right for request of information but the Claimant has failed to provide the true original Credit Card Agreement and Terms & Conditions.   7. The Claimant states in Para 25 that, ‘the Claimant allowed the proceedings to be stayed in order to allow the parties to attempt settlement negotiations…..’ this is not correct as the Claim was stayed due to the Claimant not being able to provide the requested documents pursuant of my CPR 31.14 and Section 78 of the Credit Card Act 1974.   8. Para 30 and 31of the Witness Statement requests to restore the proceedings, to strike out the Defence, has requested for a Summary Judgement, together with costs to be assessed summarily by the court. I, the Defendant, strongly object to the Claimant’s Witness Statement requesting to lift the stay and enter Judgement. I believe therefore, that this should be denied and I respectfully ask for you to strike out the claim. My reasons for this have been outlined in points 1 to 7.    9. By the reason of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief and invite the Court to strike out the claim.   I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.    Signed:  Dated:
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Makes awful reading. Apparently 1700 deaths are being linked to failed ATOS assessments.

 

Perhaps the government should release full details of their risk assessment into this policy, as surely they must have told ATOS on what basis to assess people as being fit for work.


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32 per week, bloody shocking and a disgrace. Value on a human life? Atos knows, dwp knows shame its sensitive commercial information.

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Jesus christ what is this; legal genocide? This needs blowing wide open by the media.

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32 per week, bloody shocking and a disgrace. Value on a human life? Atos knows, dwp knows shame its sensitive commercial information.

 

I heard that figure has long been past, into the 70s now. Soon be over a 100, perhaps when people start seeing people they know disappear they might say something. The frightening bit is they just finished reshowing Nazis a warning from History on the TV, yet still nobody is seeing it.

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The problem is that ATOS are incentivised for finding as many people fit for work as possible and then the DWP don't really assist people properly afterwards. It is no good saying people are fit to work and then offer no resource to help them. They seem to just say no, cut the money and then the benefit claimant has to apply for JSA without any help being given.


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a good friend of mine was on esa, is dissabled, had to endure the atos medical failed it, was put on jsa, who found her a job in a nusery, 30 hours a week my friend was in agony trying to pick children up that the owner sent her home because she couldnt cope with the job, she went to her GP, who gave her a sick note, but she doesnt know what will happen now because she cant work shes to unwell, so what about other disabled people who get sent to work but are to ill for the job, will they get sick pay

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Whilst i believe that atos and indeed the whole benefit system is broken and does need radical reform -not sure what though- it is very easy to blame these deaths on atos when i wonder how many direct cases there are. I am not sure the Nazi thing is quite appropriate. That was a whole different set of circumstances and a whole different argument imo.

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No the deaths are not directly related, after all Atos isn't treating them. The point is that these people are being declared fit for work and then dying. So blaming atos or the gov for it misses the point somewhat, however it shows how incompetent atos are.

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I think those who commit suicide from the experience of dealing with atos would disagree.

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Zonker, this thread did not mention suicide at all. I agree even one suicide is one too many but it is a complex issue. Do you have any statistics on that? By the way in my experience, and i do have a little,most people who commit suicide seem perfectly able and in control,or at least in no danger of doing it.

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OK accepting they might result in suicides, but the majority of the deaths mentioned aren't that. Trust me I have no love for atos having been through the hell of their system with my partner.

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'The DWP said it did not have research data on the impact of assessments on people's mental health and that no links could accurately be made to suicides.' , from

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19437785

 

and also this FOI request ,

 

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/suicide_and_attempted_suicide_du

 

which shows they are aware of suicides , but they dont collate the information and wont search for them under cost grounds for FOI requests.

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I have no doubt that the truth is being hidden for various reasons. But ATOS are not totally to blame. They have been given the job by DWP and told what to do. The real blame is with DWP for not providing appropriate resources to assist people declared fit for work. The DWP should be working with NHS professionals and Job Centre Plus staff to see what is needed to support the people. ATOS are just involved in a box ticking exercise, paid a fee to run the assessments against a limited criteria. I think a number of Doctors have resigned from ATOS, as they were unhappy with the assessment process.

 

The other issue is whether the UK economy can provide the 35 million jobs that would be required to have full employment. The government have just removed some financial support from Remploy causing the loss of many jobs. This is a bit silly if you ask me, as if you want people with disabilities to work, then government does have a role to play. There are many employers who would not offer employment to people with disabilities, as the cost implications to make reasonable adjustments, may be too much.


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How many have died due to an unrelated medical condition? Like the person who has a heart attack or something? There is no proof that all these deaths are to do with ATOS.

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No but when we lose someone we need someone to blame.It makes grieving easier however as in this case it can promote a backlash.

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It's not always someone elses fault though. I know that some commit suicide - it's possible that this isn't just to do with ATOS.

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I wasn't blaming anyone,i was saying we look at people to blame. When a person commits suicide we may blame ourselves for not having done more,if someone has a dies suddenly we may blame a doctor or the fact we didn't force them to the gp last week.

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The issue is really about a process that finds people fit for work but whoare clearly so ill that they have died soon after this decision was taken. Ifyou are so ill that you die within weeks or months of being assessed as"FIT FOR WORK" there is something seriously wrong with the system.

You do not need a degree in medicine or even been a qualified nurse ordoctor to see this needs changing.

ATOS are responsible for the assessments and are therefore responsible forthe gross misjudgement but the government is ultimately responsible for givinga Multi Million £ contract to a company which is not fit for purpose.

Any of us could find ourselves so ill or disabled that we would be UNFIT forwork. We need a system that takes good care of vulnerable people not makingthem more vulnerable and insecure than they already are.

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Aren't DWP partly responsible too? They surely get all the evidence (including ESA50) to make their decision.

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