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hi im new

please dont judge me, i m not a bad person, just struggling with poverty

 

2 days ago i got a letter from tax credits asking me to to send evidence that my 2 sons are still in school

1 is other is not he is at uni

but i still kept getting tax credits for both i guess i should have told them son started uni but i did not in summer i got letter from child ben saying payments ending unless you tell us he s staying on

so i wrote to child ben and said son is taying on at college so i can get the money csa child ben and tax credits for another year

i no it was wrong but we cannot manage

i have a new husband not his kids no one knows im married as i kept old name so i get all monies based on a single parent

husband doesnt earn much, it was all his idea to keep quiet saying we cant survive without it

he even made up a fake company where i work { i dont work} so i could claim wtc and ctc

all is due to end next year because of kids ages

i know it sounds bad, but we couldnt afford to pay bills

as it stands we never put heating on as cant afford to and only go shopping 2 times a month

 

back to the ltter they want evidence frm school that boys still attend

i can prove it for 1 but not for other

my new husband says he just alters paperwork which has my married name on to a fake letter with maiden name on and make up a letter from other son that looks like he still attends

i wouldnt have a clue how do to all this but he does he says its so easy and he s done it before many times before i new him and much worse

i just wondered why i got this letter in the first place

could be because ex husband rang csa and told them he was still paying money for son who is at uni not school

 

do i let husband write these letters? it will not be him in trouble would it if caught? even though its all his idea who would believe it ?

we ve not use dthe money for luxeries its to pay husbands debts he has many so we starve

 

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It is a tough call, I don't think anybody on these forums will assist you in your own case to make your situation any easier. The options are simple you can either carry on with what is potentially fraud and dig yourself deeper into what could be some serious trouble or just hope that you won't be noticed or be looked at a little closer.

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Hello there.

 

I agree with 42man, it's probably only a matter of time before this is spotted and the longer it goes on, the more serious it will look.

 

If this money has been needed to pay debts, have you taken debt advice to see if your outgoings could be reduced? There are forums here that help with that.

 

My best, HB

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|Best thing you can do is stop this right now,,before it gets any worse (it's not good even now).Your husband is actively encouraging and enabling you to commit fraud,in YOUR name,he won't get the backlash,you will. Do the sensible thing,stop the games,admit whats going on,seek help from CAB and get help with your debts.

If you let things carry on,,and the lies escalate,there will be serious consequences .

Lillibelle

 

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Tricky one, it's rare for tax credits to prosecute though. If they did it's likely your fella would be prosecuted too, as he is part of it. They'll cotton on eventually, they always do, data matching etc. Depends how much you want to end up paying back, as that amount is going up all the time.Interest free of course.

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|Best thing you can do is stop this right now,,before it gets any worse (it's not good even now).Your husband is actively encouraging and enabling you to commit fraud,in YOUR name,he won't get the backlash,you will. Do the sensible thing,stop the games,admit whats going on,seek help from CAB and get help with your debts.

If you let things carry on,,and the lies escalate,there will be serious consequences .

 

Yes I agree 100%

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It's rare for tax credits to prosecute for a simple over payment, but what you're talking about is fraudulently producing documents to support your claim, which is a whole different kettle of fish. I would seriously stop this now.

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Just for clarification The CAG does not support or encourage fraud or dishonesty,or attempts of deceptive practices whilst under investigation.

This applies to any examples.

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you would be very silly to carry this on,and you are obviously uncomfortable about it otherwise you wouldnt be looking for advice.im not judging at all,but you are digging yourself into a huge hole and its your name i presume on the claim not your husbands,and you will be the one in trouble.if i was you id go to cab and get advice and be honest.

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You do realise that tax credits can also contact childcare provider and education establisments directly to confirm that a child/dependant attends and they do contact on a regular basus too especially at the start of an acedmic year.

 

I would advise you tell the truth you are going to be found out if they decide to dig deeper anyway.

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this is all my husbands doing not mine! yes i do realise its my name on the claim form and not his and so does he!

what no one on here knows is my husband is abusing me, has been for years and he forces me to do this. i am petrified of him!

he says the data protection act forbids anyone to check up on you. ive no idea if thats true and the letter said may ring up IF they think letter is fake

its my word against his.

he has been emotionally, verbally, mentally abusing me for 5 years now he is controlling and manipulative and watches me closely

this is all his idea i had no option he did all the forms not me the only thing im guilty of is been nieve

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this is all my husbands doing not mine! yes i do realise its my name on the claim form and not his and so does he!

what no one on here knows is my husband is abusing me, has been for years and he forces me to do this. i am petrified of him!

he says the data protection act forbids anyone to check up on you. ive no idea if thats true and the letter said may ring up IF they think letter is fake

its my word against his.

he has been emotionally, verbally, mentally abusing me for 5 years now he is controlling and manipulative and watches me closely

this is all his idea i had no option he did all the forms not me the only thing im guilty of is been nieve

 

Hello there.

 

It sounds like a tough situation for you. It's not hard to end up being manipulated, but at least you know now. Do you have anyone helping you with the abuse side of your problem?

 

I'm not sure his take on the Data Protection is right at all. If someone is receiving tax credits, HMRC will want to know the money is being spent.

 

I've alerted the site team to this in case anyone has input to offer.

 

HB

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Where any kind of fraud is suspected then HMRC have in some cases more powers than the police.

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ive been to womens aid and they suggested a refuge, the only problem there is they wont take my kids as their too old or pets of furniture most of which is all mine i cannot abandon my kids

i have also been on a womens forum too so there is evidence on there of my abuse

but i dont think hmrc would care or believe as its my name on the form

he is very clever and his name is not on anything mine is

he steals from work, he works for a very well known hign street computer place at ther main distribution centre in the midlands, where theft id rife. not just him but more than half the work force steals on a regular baisc

he steals items then puts them on ebay in my name

he claims any monies not myself nothing goes on myself or kids.

je had done major fraud, theft and shoplifting and says if i tell on him id be guilty my assocation.

i want a divorce but im trapped with no job or money. i feel totally helpless

he even lied on the mortgage application. his debts for some reason did not show up on the credit report so he got away with it and he faked kids ages as some banks would not accept tax credits as income and that it would run out soon so he altered kids ages and fake documents which he got away with

he thinks he cannot be stopped

i really dont know what to do

hhe even lied to credit card company telling them his family had left him and he lost his job and was living in a hostel beacuse he couldnt afford the £300 a month min payment

he told them he on job seekers so he has been paying them £1 a month for over 2 years

no idea how long he can keep that up

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Any abuse would come under mitigating circumstances if it ended up in court, but it wouldn't stop them prosecuting for serious calculated fraud.

Your partner is in for a surprise, just because it used to be easy to pull the wool over their eyes, he thinks nothing ever changes. Wrong. These days they can dip into your bank accounts, find out the last loan you took, what you bought in last weeks food shop, just about anything they need to look at they are allowed to now..

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  • 5 weeks later...

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well he s got away with it yet again like he said he would

no one can touch him he is invinsible

he made 2 fake letters and posted them

and got away with it!

they belived him! so i get the money for another year and ex cannot do anything

should i say my husband can take the money off me as usual

things crap here

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I don't know what to tell you, sharon. Eventually, they are going to find out. have you tried speaking to your local council about being re-housed? I think you need to talk to someone about your legal position urgently..would woman's aid be able to put you in touch with a legal representitive, perhaps?

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Shelter,Salvatian Army,Womens Aid,etc,,you can get help from all of these and more.The only person stopping you is you.And this is going to sound really harsh but pets/furniture shouldn't be a priority,you and your kids are,and noone would force you to leave your kids behind. You,by not doing anything to prevent his frauds,are enabling him to carry on. And yes,,iI have been there,done that,got the memories of the beatings. I walked out with my kids and the clothes on my back. Look hard enough,,the help is there.

Lillibelle

 

I only know what I know cos I know it,I only give advice,I'm not legally trained nor do I pretend to be.

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I've never had the misfortune of being in an abusive relationship before, but I've helped my best friend get out of one, and I honestly thought she was going to end up dead at one point. I think you will be amazed how much people...both individuals and organisations...will want to help you. In fact, if I took one good thing away from that experience, it's that people care far more than we give them credit for.

"Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me". Martin Niemöller

 

"A vital ingredient of success is not knowing that what you're attempting can't be done. A person ignorant of the possibility of failure can be a half-brick in the path of the bicycle of history". - Terry Pratchett

 

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yes i know what a b*****d he is

 

i feel so trapped. i have been to womens aid because of my kids ages, they wont accept them

i cannot abandon them shelter is just like a hostel isnt it?

 

i cant leave my cats behind he would abuse them on purpose

he is a very dangerous man

who at hmrc would belive me that this is all his doing and that he takes the money? no one

 

im trapped

ive been very ill the last 9 weeks i was in and out of hospital ive had pnemonia

 

he is the type to get revenge

i joint own this former council house but he pays the bills

i have no way of supporting myself or kids

i cant afford a removal man to do a moonlight flit

i have not told my frail dad.

there is no housing huge waitiung list and even if there was, what council will accept a woman in a fragile state of mind with uni kids 10 cats no job or money

because of kids ages i wouldnt be entitled to anything plus if i made a new claim, theyd find out whats he s been doing for 5 years and he woulndt get into trouble

as it is, i cant run a house on income support

my cats are the only ones who love me

its not as straight forward as you think

i hate him more than you can know

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You need to contact the police,tell them exactly what you have said here,,show them the thread if necessary,they will get you help,,and contact the RSPCA to find out what is best course of action re your cats,,they might be able to shelter them till you get sorted..I have 4 cats that I adore,,but not so much that they would be a reason to stay in a abusive situation

You say 'uni' kids,,university??

Lillibelle

 

I only know what I know cos I know it,I only give advice,I'm not legally trained nor do I pretend to be.

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my husband is still abusing me he has been getting much worse

 

my child came back from seeing their dad saying to her he stil paying for him and told her he got evidence to send to csa that proves he s at uni and not in full time education as my claims says

 

its all my husbands doing since he send those letters to tax credits poeple

sowill my ex have got letter from csa saying he still got to pay as kid still in fulltime ed even though he s not?

what evidence would my ex have? proof of uni attendance i guess

what would csa do on recieving such a letter?

are the tax credits and csa in touch with each other?

as tax creidts already accepted the fake letters my husband did saying he at college and not uni

what happens now?

my husband takes all the money

i feel trapped and no one will believe me

im very scared of husband now i have ex on my back too

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My advice would be to contact the police and 'own up'. You are in an awful mess due to your partner's lies and now your ex is involved its going to get worse. At least going to the police and presenting your case will show you are willing to stand up and sort things out rather then hide and pray the problem will go away

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