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Personally I think this is going to tun out to be a disaster on all fonts. I'm dreading it as I think it will push many vulnerable people right over the edge and what with legal aid being withdrawn for benefit issues starting next year and many CAB slowly being shut down, there will be very little support out there for claimants caught in all the resulting mess.

 

I'm dreading it. :(

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I'm dreading it too. ESA was bad enough. I do dread to think what will happen with UC. That being said, I do understand why they've decided to make the system easier for everyone. I just think they're going the wrong way about it.

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Trouble is it won't be easier for as the CAB and other organizations have pointed out it's been so poorly thought through that much of it doesn't make any damn sense when you apply it. When you go through many of the regs they turn out to be just as confusing and overly complex as the the system they're replacing.

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UC will place more and more people on the breadline, the government's rhetoric about being better off in work is cobblers, the one month benefit run-on for claimants who find work is to be scrapped, no one will get 100% council tax rebates, all on benefits or not (except pensioners) will be required to contribute 18-20% toward CT, out of a budget that's getting smaller by the day.

What the government really mean is you will be far worse off on benefits next year that you are today, even those on minimum wage will have to keep seeking more and more hours to comply with the new benefit conditionality.

 

When have the Tories ever been concerned with enabling those at the bottom of society to get a leg up on the ladder of prosperity?

 

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Being poor is like being a Pelican. No matter where you look, all you see is a large bill.

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There was a link to a calculator for UC a while back on here. I will be worse off. Ok, it may only be £5 a week or something; but over a year, that's over £250.

 

I do not understand how people are going to fund their council tax. I was led to believe that income based benefits are the minimum the law says you need to live on.

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I was led to believe that income based benefits are the minimum the law says you need to live on.

 

Until they change the rules, they have put the onus on local authorities, so the DWP can say 'well it's your local councils fault you are struggling, they should budget better, we are still maintaining your level of benefit'.

 

It's typical Tory underhand back stabbing, get someone else to do the dirty work.

 

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

 

Being poor is like being a Pelican. No matter where you look, all you see is a large bill.

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We would be significantly worse off on universal credit were we not to be protected by transition arrangements. The reasons being:

 

If one partner gets cont based ESA and the other gets working tax credits, they're basically screwed. Cont based ESA will be deducted at 100%, there are no working tax credit elements so instead there will just be the small proportion of 'couple allowance' left after cont based ESA is deducted. Also you can't get a carer element and a LCWRA element for the same person, whereas now you can. Many disabled couples are eachother's carers, so the most vulnerable will be losing out. Also no SDP's in UC. In addition, carers allowance is still deducted 100% from universal credit. Not to mention self employed people will be considered to have a minimum income, even if they aren't earning that much yet, once they're past the start up period.

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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I like that calculator. Apparently I'll be considerably better off. Mind you, there wasn't anywhere to tell it I'm still stuck on the ESA assessment rate ... :D

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Thanks for the link. Don't think it allows for people in our position; a couple one over pension age one under. Other than singles no mention of ages. also no account is taken of the bedroom tax.

 

That said the amount we would get if both of working age is a lot more than I thought we get, more than Minimum wage and more than our single daughter gets working full time (above NMW).

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Thanks for the link. Don't think it allows for people in our position; a couple one over pension age one under. Other than singles no mention of ages. also no account is taken of the bedroom tax.

 

That said the amount we would get if both of working age is a lot more than I thought we get, more than Minimum wage and more than our single daughter gets working full time (above NMW).

 

You'd be protected under transitional arrangements, but someone in your position, not protected, would have to stay on UC until both are of an age to receive pension credit.

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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I like that calculator. Apparently I'll be considerably better off. Mind you, there wasn't anywhere to tell it I'm still stuck on the ESA assessment rate ... :D

 

How to use it? after I select the options there is nothing to click on.

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You'd be protected under transitional arrangements, but someone in your position, not protected, would have to stay on UC until both are of an age to receive pension credit.

 

If that was the case we would be better off not claiimng UC at all, and using DLA to pay rent. As only benefit we get to be replaced by UC is HB

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If that was the case we would be better off not claiimng UC at all, and using DLA to pay rent. As only benefit we get to be replaced by UC is HB

 

I suspect that fewer people will be better off under UC.

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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