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    • Hi, In my last post I mentioned I had received an email from SS who were asking me to hand over the keys to my mother’s flat so they could pass them to the Law firm who have been appointed court of protection to access, secure and insure my mother’s property.  Feeling this, all quickly getting out of my hands I emailed ss requesting proof of this. I HAVEN’T HEARD BACK FROM SS.  Yesterday, I received an email (with attached court of protection order) from the Law Firm confirming this was correct (please see below a copy of this).  After reading the court of protection order I do have some concerns about it:   (a)   I only found out yesterday, the Law firm had been appointed by the court back in January.  Up until now, I have not received any notification regarding this.  (b)   Section 2   - States I am estranged from my mother.  This is NOT CORRECT    The only reason I stepped back from my mother was to protect myself from the guy (groomer) who had befriended her & was very aggressive towards me & because of my mother’s dementia she had become aggressive also.  I constantly tried to warned SS about this guy's manipulative behaviour towards my mother and his increasing aggressiveness towards me (as mentioned in previous posts).  Each time I was ignored.  Instead, SS encouraged his involvement with my mother – including him in her care plans and mental health assessments.   I was literally pushed out because I feared him and my mother’s increasing aggression towards me. Up until I stepped back, I had always looked after my mother and since her admission to the care home, I visit regularly.   .(c)    Sections -  4, 5 and 7  I am struggling to understand these as I don’t have a legal background.  I was wondering if there is anyone who might be able to explain what they mean.  It’s been a horrendous situation where I had to walk away from my mother at her most vulnerable because of; ss (not helping), scammer and groomer. I have no legal background, nor experience in highly manipulative people or an understanding of how the SS system operates, finding myself isolated, scared and powerless to the point I haven’t collected my personal belongings and items for my mother’s room in the care home.  Sadly, the court has only had heard one version of this story SS’s, and based their decision on that. My mother’s situation and the experience I have gone through could happen to anyone who has a vulnerable parent.    If anyone any thoughts on this much appreciated.  Thank you. ______________________________________________________  (Below is the Court of Protection Order)  COURT OF PROTECTION                                                                                                                                                                                   No xxx  MENTAL CAPACITY ACT 2005 In the matter of Name xxx ORDER Made by  Depty District Judge At xxx Made on xxx Issued on 18 January 2024  WHEREAS  1.     xxx Solicitors, Address xxx  ("Applicant”) has applied for an order under the Mental Capacity Act 2005.  2.     The Court notes (my mother) is said to be estranged from all her three children and only one, (me) has been notified.  3.     (Me) was previously appointed as Atorney for Property and Affairs for (my mother).  The Exhibity NAJ at (date) refers to (me) and all replacement Attorneys are now officially standing down.  4.     Pursuant to Rule 9.10 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 and Practice Direction 9B the Applicant 2must seek to identify at least three persons who are likely to have an interest in being notified that an application has been issues.”  The children of (my mother), and any other appointed attorneys are likely to have an interest in the application, because of the nature of relationship to (my mother).  5.     The Court considers that the notification requirements are an important safeguard for the person in respect of whom an order is sought.  6.     The Court notes that it is said that the local authority no longer has access to (my mother’s) Property.  7.     Further information is required for the Court to determine the application.  IT IS ORDERED THAT  Within 28 days of the issue date this order, the Applicant shall file a form COP24 witness statement confirming that the other children of (my mother) and any replacement attorneys have been notified of the application and shall confirm their name, address, and date upon which those persons were notified.  If the Applicant wishes the Court to dispense with any further notification, they should file a COP9 and COP24 explaining, what steps (if any) have been taken to attempt notification and why notification should be dispensed with.   Pending the determination of the application to appoint a deputy for (my mother), the Applicant is authorised to take such steps as are proportionate and necessary to access, secure and insure the house and property of (my mother).   This order was made without a hearing and without notice.  Any person affected by this order may apply within 21 days of the date on which the order was served to have the order set aside or varied pursuant to Rule 13.4 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 (“the Rules”).  Such application must be made on Form COP9 and in accordance with Part 10 Rules.              
    • Unless I've got an incorrect copy of the relevant regulation: The PCN is only deemed to have arrived two days after dispatch "unless the contrary is proved" in which case date of delivery does matter (not just date of posting) and I would like clarification of the required standard of proof. It seems perhaps this hasn't been tested. Since post is now barcoded for the Post Office's own tracking purposes perhaps there is some way I can get that evidence from the Post Office...
    • I would say You should accept it - I HIGHLY doubt you will  be able to claim for letters at trial ans they’re offering you that, which is higher monetary value than interest.   Also they raise a good point, getting interest at anything above 4% is lucky these days, yes judges give it, but rarily above 4%   Also you might find depending on the judge  you don’t get some costs if you take it all the way over £7.40 when court woukdnt award letters costs and thus meaning their award would be less than evris offer which was made    Up to you though but the wait will be 3-4mo for a trial date at least
    • Hi Folks, Been 162 days! Just by way of update. Today I received a text from Opos Ltd so no doubt Capquest are renting the debt out to anybody who fancies a nibble. Safe to say I will not be responding.
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Sent a letter to the bailliffs the debt is 5k offered to pay 223 over 24 months the bailliff has refused it. Used the forum template please advise on next steps.

 

Their explanation is as follows:

We have received all the Liability orders from Royal Borough of Greenwich for UstayLondon.

 

Due to the balance outstanding we are not able to enter into arrangement of 222.00 per month arrangement.We are not

refusing any payments that you wish to make,but we have guidelines for what arrangement we can offer.

 

If one of our bailiffs have to call round,then they would be required to levy goods to secure the debt for Greenwich Council

and then it would be down to the Enforcement bailiff to enter into arrangement with you to clear the balance.

 

All cases are on hold for 7 days to allow you time to get back to us.

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I rent several properties as a corporate let, and unfortunately I have failed to keep up payments with the council tax.

The arrears are from 2011 to 2013. They have all been passed to the bailiffs due to non payment.

I sent the following letter to the bailiffs and Greenwich council:

I understand Greenwich council has appointed you to recover my council tax liability arrears of 2011/12 of 5,328.44.

Firstly I would like to make you aware..............Due to my circumstances, I am unable to pay this in one payment. I advocate a payment schedule of 24 months of equal payments of £222. With 23 payments of ..................................It should be noted that I am not refusing to pay this debt but only asking for a fair payment period................Please also send an itemised statement of account..........

Greenwich council have not replied, but the bailiff has replied with the following statement:

We have received all the Liability orders from Royal Borough of Greenwich for UstayLondon.

 

Due to the balance outstanding we are not able to enter into arrangement of 222.00 per month arrangement.We are not

refusing any payments that you wish to make,but we have guidelines for what arrangement we can offer.

 

If one of our bailiffs have to call round,then they would be required to levy goods to secure the debt for Greenwich Council

and then it would be down to the Enforcement bailiff to enter into arrangement with you to clear the balance.

 

All cases are on hold for 7 days to allow you time to get back to us.

 

 

Please advise on next steps due to the fact that I can not afford to pay in one go.

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It sounds to me as if you have more than 1 Liability Order. You need to speak to someone at the Council and ask the following questions:

1 - how many Liability Orders they have against you

2 - the dates they were obtained

3 - the addresses they were for

4 - the period of time each covers

5 - how much each one was for

6 - how much is still outstanding

7 - the dates they were passed on for enforcement

8 - the dates & amounts of any payments

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Always remember that there is NO LEGAL REQUIRMENT that a bailiff has to levy upon goods in order to accept a payment arrangment.

 

If you do not allow the bailiff into your property and you do not have a car etc that he can levy upon then he would be more willing to accept a payment arrangement.

 

You need to FIRSTLY establish the precise amount of each Liability Order and ask the bailiff company whether any fees have been applied to any of the accounts. Remember......if a visit has not been made, then NO fees can be provided. Also, UNLESS a levy has been made upon goods, the fees that can legally be charged are limited to £24.50 for "attending to levy"(where no levy was made). A further 2nd visit fee of £18.00 can be applied but UNLESS a levy has been made, the fees are limited to £42.50.

 

Sorry forgot to mention......the bailiff CANNOT charge multiple fees for enforcing more than one Liability Order. The LGO has recently made this clear in a highly critical public report against Blaby District Council. The bailiff provider in this case was Rossendales Ltd

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