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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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I was at the university yesterday, I used to work there, I remember another company doing the the tickets before, and there was no pay and display then, so I also advised students not to back down, and just ignore!

 

That was always successful, never know any to be taken to court, as I explained reasons from here, also why should they pay for parking when paying for accommodation and even the workers having to pay.

 

Well I seen this sign in a pay and display on University grounds:

 

My question is if they do not pay, do the same rules apply as IGNO|RE!!

 

 

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The sign states that the a parking charge will be issued to "the vehicle's driver".

 

That is going to present them with a problem, they don't know who was the driver, and the Registered Keeper is under no obligation to inform them.

 

The University, holding data about drivers and passing it on, could, arguably, be another problem - others, more familiar with the Data Protection Act, may care to comment on that.

 

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I agree. For some strange reason they won't let us link to the MSE forum where there is a very informative list of all the letters sent out by PPCs and their DRCs. The reason given- it's classed as "touting".

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I see the board "police" have deleted posts criticising them. Why?. Come on please tell us why you did this. No wonder this forum is the laughing stock of other forums. You can't seem to be able to take any criticism.

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There are no problems posting links to MSE nor have there ever been any.

Not sure where this thought has come from.

There are frequent links posted to MSE throughout the site,as indeed there are links posted to CAG on MSE.

 

Insofar as posting any links at all go,The site has a post count of 30 which has to be attained before link posting is enabled.

It used to be lower than this,but was raised following a sustained period of spamming,which were taking up valuable time of site team in dealing.

 

Therefore,it is unfair to be referring to moronic rules,and brainless Mods,who give their time freely to keep things ticking over.

The rules and the need to raise the post count to address the problems we saw,was in fact nothing to do with Mods.

 

If any users without the 30 posts, is wanting to post important links to Court rulings and articles,all they have to do is contact a site team member,who will deal with it.

 

I hope that clears up any misunderstandings.

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I am afraid that's wrong . We have tried to post links to the MSE "letter chain" thread in the past and have been told that it's against board rules. This is the message I recieved when I tried to do it before:-

 

"Recommending CAG members to other sites is a form of touting for that other site and thus contravenes CAG rules."

 

And this is what another MSE member received:-

 

You have been advised on more than on occasion this evening regarding posting links to external sites, these notifications have been sent to you by PM from the site team.

 

Links or other directs to external sites can be dangerous as there is no way of verifying information provided there and CAG cannot be seen to recommend external advice.

 

This is why your posts have been either edited or removed.

 

Following these notices, you continued to post in the same vein and even in your response in open forum, you still inserted these links.

 

As a result I have now placed a restriction on your account and have put your account on moderation for a period of 7 days.

 

And another email I received from someone on your site team when I asked them to justify the ban on external links:-

 

 

 

 

'i' dont have too!!

 

but as you seem to be stupidly pushing this issue having been politely asked to drop it twice now......

 

for this particular subject, we DO NOT WANT THE LINKS PUBLISHED HERE.

 

regardless of it being a free site!!

 

other links are quite ok.

though ideally all links should go via admin [not us mere siteteam] for approval

 

do we understand this now?

 

or are you going to continually question things....

 

please drop it

 

your sand timer is almost empty

i have far better things to do

than debate this with someone respected

like yourself

there are VERY good reasons why we do not want it.

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Hi DBC

 

You need to get your facts right, CAG have always allowed links from moneysavingexpert, we also get quite a lot of Tweets from them, here's an example, scroll down to post no '6':-

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?351527-Purchase-from-BMCDigital-bmcdigital-**Refunded-in-full-following-escalation-to-Ebay-complaints**&highlight=moneysavingexpert

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All I can do is apologise for that DBC,I have alerted all the team to this thread to avoid further confusions.

While I cant really comment on specific incidents where a message has been generated,I will repeat again that CAG does not,and never has,had any issues with the posting of links to MSE.

 

Let me turn now to the other parking site,which in the past has been mentioned many times,without any problem.

CAG does not seek confrontation and is happy to see good debate and rational from others in the fight agains these PPCs.

But there was examples reported where it was being suggested that advice on xxx was far superior to here,and that users would be better off going there.

It is not unreasonable to be concerned at this and ask that if there is a feeling that this was the case,then it should have been discussed and debated openly.

We are not averse at all to criticism,but do not have any right of reply when users are being sent pms advising them to go to xxx.

If we are needing to improve or else there are problems with the advice,then its better we are made aware of it,so can take steps to address it.

That would seem to me to be the way to go.

We are after all,fighting the same causes.

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No he hasn't. Those of us who tried to post that link to the MSE letter chain had well over the minimum post count. We were told we could not do it as it was "touting" for other sites (whatever that means).

 

Regarding "good and bad advice". The link we were trying to post to was just a list of the many letters sent out by PPCs and their DCEs.We were told that this was not allowed and that we could create our own list on CAG. Which is a waste of time and effort when such a list existed elsewhere. A bit like reinventing the wheel.

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that we could create our own list on CAGlink31.gif. Which is a waste of time and effort when such a list existed elsewhere. A bit like reinventing the wheel.

 

There are people who are loyal to one forum for different reasons.

Some come here and dont visit MSE and visa versa.

There is an abundance of things that can be seen replicated on different consumer sites.At least an offer was made.

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Yes thats a good idea.

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Ok its now done.

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Thanks for that. Now, whenever anybody gets a bit nervous about letters they receive, we can point them to that list and show them that they are not being singled out by the PPC, but they are just receiving the usual computer generated letters that are sent out to everyone. They can even play "threatogram bingo" when each one arrives!

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Ok its now done.

 

 

 

Thankyou! At last!

 

I gave up with CAG completely a year ago because the admin team would not let me post that MSE link!

 

DBC was not making it up, and he wasn't quoting pm's sent to me either so lots of us were affected by the daft rule for many months. There were several of us whose posts were constantly pruned and deleted and sarcastic replies left each time. Look at my previous posts before this one - they date back to a year ago and here was the last one where I threw in the towel after being told NOT to help people ignore private parking tickets by showing them that link:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?311501-Help-Parking-Ticket!!-Advice-please!&p=3473553#post3473553

 

Anyway, I may stick around again now I know I can link useful stuff. Can I link to 'pepipoo' or 'just answer' now as well or is that a step too far?

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I wonder if dx100uk would also like to apologise for remarks such as this ( from the above forum):-

 

listen last comment..........

 

links are not allowed read the site rules............

 

this is a self help site not a spoon feeders paradise.

 

the idea is people read the threads where the info and the videos are already posted several times.

 

simple ans is if you dont like CAG rules move elsewhere.

 

dx

 

last warning

 

Not only insulting but factually incorrect (links are allowed).

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I will raise this with Admin,as I understand things,there was some quite unpleasant things said,so obviously in those instances would have seen moderation,as in the case of some recent posts here.

There has to be some give and take from all sides.We dont always get things right,but I would like to think everyone can learn from mistakes.

I certainly have no problem holding my hands up.

But lets also remember that quite often theres more to the things than can be openly seen,unfortunately the absence of all the info for others looking in can very often see posts that really are unwarranted.

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UKPC, have sent me a letter in relation to parking at a Mcdonalds resturant, I was inside the resturant for over 2 hours buying their food and drinking with freinds of mine. At no point did i think i was overstaying my welcome until i received a letter from UKPC telling me that i have parked 2 mins over the time allowed to park at the macdonalds resturant in wythenshawe!!!!! I never saw any disply saying 2 hours stay only, i was to busy spending my money in mcdonalds and enjoying a get together. So what i am asking is whether i should pay this fee or not, has anyone else had a letter?

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Gina g

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UKPC, have sent me a letter in relation to parking at a Mcdonalds resturant, I was inside the resturant for over 2 hours buying their food and drinking with freinds of mine. At no point did i think i was overstaying my welcome until i received a letter from UKPC telling me that i have parked 2 mins over the time allowed to park at the macdonalds resturant in wythenshawe!!!!! I never saw any disply saying 2 hours stay only, i was to busy spending my money in mcdonalds and enjoying a get together. So what i am asking is whether i should pay this fee or not, has anyone else had a letter?

Regards

Gina g

 

First of all - you were in Mickey D's for 2 hours eating their food and drinking with friends ?! What MD's serves beer? I want to go to that one!!

 

Seriously just ignore UKPC, you owe nothing, they will send a chain of letters getting ever scarier threatening you with everything from paying their ridiculous uneforceable charge to giving up your first born as a sacrifice to the God Perkins, then they'll kindly offer you a discount if you do pay up (if the charge was enforceable why would they offer a discount!)

 

They will eventually give up and stop sending you beging letters when they realise you are not easily intimidated.

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