Fare Evasion prosecution in absence ?

[hazelnuts]

thanks old-codja you are a font of knowledge and its very much appreciated. I am assuming that this happend just because of reading about so many other cases ... out of curiosity why do suggest there might be a chance that it never went any futher ? Is this just as common as people getting prosecuted that it may be dropped ? I dont think im that lucky really. It is a bit of a nightmare there isnt a simple way to deal with this other than chasing it up or waiting for it to catch up with me somewhere in the future .. may bite the bullet and ring the courts will update when i have more info as im sure there will be a few people in a similar situation..

[hazelnuts]

I am also thinking about contacting the cab to see what they suggest.

[Old-CodJA]

thanks old-codja you are a font of knowledge and its very much appreciated. I am assuming that this happend just because of reading about so many other cases ... out of curiosity why do suggest there might be a chance that it never went any futher ? Is this just as common as people getting prosecuted that it may be dropped ?..

 

 

When you consider the numbers of people who are spoken to by revenue staff and reported every week I can say with confidence that a substantial number never get any further than that initial 'interview'.

 

I have assessed and marked for action many, many thousands of reports over the years and every day will mark some as 'No Further Action' for a variety of reasons, many of which I am obviously not going to go into here.

 

If the report missed essential details or was considered 'inadequate' for any of a whole raft of reasons it may well have ended up in "File Thirteen"

Edited August 22, 2012 by Old-CodJA

[renegadeimp]

The site is the official site that tracks all court judgements. If its not on there, then the only thing you need to worry about is if they start a new claim, but then you can fully defend it. It's not 100% accurate but its very close to it.

[hazelnuts]

You know what this site is a god send, old-codja now I understand, I had presumed that every person stopped would be persued I had just taken it as a given. I am feeling alot calmer about it now and I cant thank you enough for taking time to reply to my questions which Im sure are getting annoying by now. File 13 sounds very secret agent haha.. might I be so bold to presume that you may have seen something in my first post that gives you the impression that there would be a chance that it would have gone to file 13?

[hazelnuts]

Hi renegadeimp,

I was just wondering about what you said about the trust online site, without sounding like a doubting thomas I was just wondering how you know the site is as good as it says it is have you had personal experience with this ?

[renegadeimp]

Yep. WHen i was in debt a few years ago, i had a ton of CCJ's to my name, some in default, others awarded to the claimant. That site was a very good way to ensure i had full records of the judgements, as my credit files didnt show them all.

 

It should show pretty much any judgement against you on a specific address.

[hazelnuts]

thats good to know then thanks for that feel a lot more confident in taking that result as maybe a sign i may have been one of the lucky ones, hopefuly so, as Ive never done anything so silly since and never would do and Im the first to preach to everyone about buying the tickets. Just being caught was enough to scare the living day lights out of me...

[renegadeimp]

If nothing is on there, and you have recieved no notice at all, then more than likely nothing has ever happened.

[hazelnuts]

just wondered how long has that site been up and running for ?

[honeybee13]

Hello again.

 

We seem to be going round in circles with this. Have you considered contacting the rail company and asking them? That way you would have it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 

Maybe the guys will advise on what might happen if you did that, apart from alerting the TOC to where you are. Apologies if it's a daft idea, I just thought it worth asking the question as other answers don't seem to be cutting it.

 

My best, HB

[hazelnuts]

Yes I think you're right, I will look into it futher and update with an outcome if I manage to find one. thanks HB

[Old-CodJA]

Hello again.

 

We seem to be going round in circles with this. Have you considered contacting the rail company and asking them? That way you would have it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 

Maybe the guys will advise on what might happen if you did that, apart from alerting the TOC to where you are. Apologies if it's a daft idea, I just thought it worth asking the question as other answers don't seem to be cutting it.

 

My best, HB

 

 

Could be worth a try HB, but as I told the OP in an earlier post, in the intervening 5 years the TOC operating that route has had a change of provider for their prosecution service and knowing the encumbent, I doubt that would get very far as their records will only cover the period since they took over.

[honeybee13]

Thank you OC, I'd forgotten that. Let's hope Hazel is lucky.

 

HB

[hazelnuts]

Sorry to ask another question but im about to ring the courts suggested and it just occured to me that it may be possible that an arrest warrant may have been issued from the research I have done is this likely ?

[honeybee13]

Hello again.

 

I think it might be possible if you were convicted in your absence and then didn't pay the fine.

 

Hopefully the guys will be able to clarify.

 

HB

[hazelnuts]

thanks HB

[hazelnuts]

just a little update Im going to see if I can find the outcome in the paper as they normaly have the court hearings for cases and their outcomes in them im sure, however finding the right paper may take a while....

[honeybee13]

Well I wish you luck and hope you find what you need.

 

HB

[honeybee13]

just a little update Im going to see if I can find the outcome in the paper as they normaly have the court hearings for cases and their outcomes in them im sure, however finding the right paper may take a while....

 

By the way, how did you find out about the papers? And because I'm nosey, have you googled your name to see what turns up about court cases etc?

 

HB

[hazelnuts]

By the way, how did you find out about the papers? And because I'm nosey, have you googled your name to see what turns up about court cases etc?

 

HB

 

haha I used to be a regular news paper reader and there is normaly a section were they name and shame. I.e blabla was doing this and got a fine of blabla etc long lists of people usualy.

 

I have googled my self but nothing comes up as yet. ringing the courts is my least favorite option as I dont really want to have to do a SD which would mean coming back and a whole lot of red tape, Id rather take it on the chin and pay whatever the costs are so long as they arent too crazy... although im not sure if you have to do one or if its your choice..

[honeybee13]

haha I used to be a regular news paper reader and there is normaly a section were they name and shame. I.e blabla was doing this and got a fine of blabla etc long lists of people usualy.

 

I have googled my self but nothing comes up as yet. ringing the courts is my least favorite option as I dont really want to have to do a SD which would mean coming back and a whole lot of red tape, Id rather take it on the chin and pay whatever the costs are so long as they arent too crazy... although im not sure if you have to do one or if its your choice..

 

I'm not sure you would have to come back for the case because you can plead by post. I suppose it's the SD bit is it, and swearing the declaration?

 

Can you remind us what you've tried so far please, because I'm getting confused.

 

HB

[hazelnuts]

I'm not sure you would have to come back for the case because you can plead by post. I suppose it's the SD bit is it, and swearing the declaration?

 

Can you remind us what you've tried so far please, because I'm getting confused.

 

HB

 

Yes it's just having to come back to do an SD and then waiting on the papers being served again which can take up to 6 months I believe, so it would just drag it out even more and its something I'd prefer to put to bed so to speak.

 

Up to now Ive;

tried searching the papers on the net and tried the trust online site to no avail. The only other option now is to to ring the courts, and then the local police for the area the offence took place. So fingers crossed there is nothing there, however if there is then do we know how the fine is then payable ?

[Old-CodJA]

Yes it's just having to come back to do an SD and then waiting on the papers being served again which can take up to 6 months I believe, so it would just drag it out even more and its something I'd prefer to put to bed so to speak.

 

Up to now Ive;

tried searching the papers on the net and tried the trust online site to no avail. The only other option now is to to ring the courts, and then the local police for the area the offence took place. So fingers crossed there is nothing there, however if there is then do we know how the fine is then payable ?

 

IF there had been a prosecution for a fare evasion matter it is incredibly unlikely to have been a Police matter.

 

Chiltern Railways used to undertake private prosecution of offenders using an agency, but in the time since you refer to have undertaken these things 'in-house' within their new parent company grouping.

 

IF there was a case heard in absence, you do not have to make a statutory declaration. You would be allowed too pay the fine & costs incurred

 

IF I were you, I really wouldn't worry about improbables, but would pay up IF anything evercomes to light, which I very seriously doubt is likely to happen now.

[hazelnuts]

IF there had been a prosecution for a fare evasion matter it is incredibly unlikely to have been a Police matter.

 

Chiltern Railways used to undertake private prosecution of offenders using an agency, but in the time since you refer to have undertaken these things 'in-house' within their new parent company grouping.

 

IF there was a case heard in absence, you do not have to make a statutory declaration. You would be allowed too pay the fine & costs incurred

 

IF I were you, I really wouldn't worry about improbables, but would pay up IF anything evercomes to light, which I very seriously doubt is likely to happen now.

 

thanks old codja good to know that i wouldnt have to do a SD, to be honest the only reason Im persuing this is simply because of the chance of having a criminal record that i know nothing of.

Out of interest would the fact that they now ''undertake these things in house'' make any difference to me ?