Caught using someone else's Freedom pass, convicted - leave to appeal granted

[BazzaS]

I am currently speaking with my barrister who is making call to some colleagues. He is a top barrister but he is also a friend which is why he isnt charging.

I want to work as I enjoy teaching children. I don't have to but I would like to.

I wanted advice from people that have actually been through the process which I thought I would get here.

 

Lol the prosecutor was laughing at everyone. I am not a spoilt brat I wanted to work with children.

 

Since you asked for opinions, here is mine:

Lucky escape for the kids, then, as some of them might be the children of Chav's, and have to put up with your snobbery.

 

I'd prefer role models for children to be more honest and grounded in the real world. Karma, perhaps?

[iambilly]

Since you asked for opinions, here is mine:

Lucky escape for the kids, then, as some of them might be the children of Chav's, and have to put up with your snobbery.

 

I'd prefer role models for children to be more honest and grounded in the real world. Karma, perhaps?

 

I know I am coming off bad here. but I generally am a nice person.

 

I believe in a fair justice system so as I am innocent but made a lot of mistakes (e.g. admitting stuff I didn't do, pleading guilty) then why shouldn't I have the right to appeal.

[BazzaS]

I know I am coming off bad here. but I generally am a nice person.

 

I believe in a fair justice system so as I am innocent but made a lot of mistakes (e.g. admitting stuff I didn't do, pleading guilty) then why shouldn't I have the right to appeal.

 

Why should you have more rights of appeal than anyone else?.

 

Why should you have rights of appeal which you lost when you gave a guilty plea, given that you had access to lots of advice.

 

Still, is it ever your fault or your responsibility?

(A further reason why I wonder about your suitability to be a primary school teacher : how can you teach them about personal responsibility if you appear not yet to have learnt it yourself) ........

[iambilly]

Why should you have more rights of appeal than anyone else?.

 

Why should you have rights of appeal which you lost when you gave a guilty plea, given that you had access to lots of advice.

 

Still, is it ever your fault or your responsibility?

(A further reason why I wonder about your suitability to be a primary school teacher : how can you teach them about personal responsibility if you appear not yet to have learnt it yourself) ........

 

I don't deserve more rights but I made a mistake and I believe have been unfairly punished If I am not guilty then why I guilty?

[BazzaS]

I don't deserve more rights but I made a mistake and I believe have been unfairly punished If I am not guilty then why I guilty?

 

If you haven't worked it yet, you probably won't, but here goes:

 

You gave a guilty plea.

 

Innocent people who have had advice rarely, if ever, do that.

If they do so, they should do so for a reason, knowing the reason why and accepting its implications. Did you think you could treat going to court as a game?.

[iambilly]

If you haven't worked it yet, you probably won't, but here goes:

 

You gave a guilty plea.

 

Innocent people who have had advice rarely, if ever, do that.

If they do so, they should do so for a reason, knowing the reason why and accepting its implications. Did you think you could treat going to court as a game?.

 

I know that but I though court take into account remorse, appoligies and cooperation.

 

Pleading guilty is the biggest mistake I have ever made in my life.

 

I now know courts don't care about anything about the person.

 

Can we just wait until we get the results of my appeal which I know is unlikely to go well

 

Because this arguing is really wearing me down.

[Pam Dell]

Idiot.

 

Teaching children? your spelling is ****e.

[guinless]

 

I now know courts don't care about anything about the person.

 

 

Why should the court care about the person? The courts care about facts, ie. a 'person' pleaded guilty to committing an offence. That is all they need to know. How is one criminal different to another when they have committed the same crime? How are you somehow better than the other people in that court just because you have money, and what right do you have to pass judgement on them as you have done?

 

The basic fact is that you committed a crime. Whether it was a mistake or not, it remained your responsibility to ensure that you were using a valid ticket for travel, just the same as it is my responsibility to make sure that I am not breaking the speed limit. If I accidentally find that I'm driving at 40 in a 30 limit (which is easily done with three kids in the back of the car, believe me) and I get pulled over by the police, I can't get away with it by saying it was just an accident, as I should have been checking my speed. likewise you should have checked your ticket. That is all.

[iambilly]

Idiot.

 

Teaching children? your spelling is ****e.

 

Believe me I am a lot smarter than you.

 

I did not know this was a grammar exam website.

[iambilly]

Why should the court care about the person? The courts care about facts, ie. a 'person' pleaded guilty to committing an offence. That is all they need to know. How is one criminal different to another when they have committed the same crime? How are you somehow better than the other people in that court just because you have money, and what right do you have to pass judgement on them as you have done?

 

The basic fact is that you committed a crime. Whether it was a mistake or not, it remained your responsibility to ensure that you were using a valid ticket for travel, just the same as it is my responsibility to make sure that I am not breaking the speed limit. If I accidentally find that I'm driving at 40 in a 30 limit (which is easily done with three kids in the back of the car, believe me) and I get pulled over by the police, I can't get away with it by saying it was just an accident, as I should have been checking my speed. likewise you should have checked your ticket. That is all.

 

Yeah but I was charged with a deliberate attempt not to pay the travel costs, which I admitted to, which is why I am silly.

 

The truth is I used it by mistake and was charged with using it on purpose.

 

That does not seem fair to me despite it being partly my fault.

[guinless]

Believe me I am a lot smarter than you.

 

Your behaviour both here and in the real world would seem to suggest otherwise. Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.

[guinless]

Yeah but I was charged with a deliberate attempt not to pay the travel costs, which I admitted to, which is why I am silly.

 

The truth is I used it by mistake and was charged with using it on purpose.

 

That does not seem fair to me despite it being partly my fault.

 

Which was clearly how it appeared to the staff on the day. Ignorance and/or stupidity is no defence.

[iambilly]

Your behaviour both here and in the real world would seem to suggest otherwise. Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.

 

ha fair comment

[iambilly]

ignorance please, not stupidity.

 

I will let you all know the results of the appeal (I know it will probably not go well)

[BazzaS]

ignorance please, not stupidity.

 

I will let you all know the results of the appeal (I know it will probably not go well)

 

You had advice, so can't claim you were ignorant of the consequences.

Thus : It is unclear to me how you can claim ignorance over stupidity.

Edited July 21, 2012 by BazzaS

[Nystagmite]

Yeah but I was charged with a deliberate attempt not to pay the travel costs, which I admitted to, which is why I am silly.

 

The truth is I used it by mistake and was charged with using it on purpose.

 

That does not seem fair to me despite it being partly my fault.

 

I'm confused how you mistakenly use someones freedom pass. Did you not check which card you picked up?

[iambilly]

I was ignorant at the time of the alleged offence.

 

I had advice on here but also had conflicting advice.

[BazzaS]

I'm confused how you mistakenly use someones freedom pass. Did you not check which card you picked up?

 

Not only that, but apparently both were out of their original cases, and were in identical cases, yet despite this the OP had his sister's pass (in the identical wallet, which he has lots of lying around his house) to return to her.

All the while while he was telling us otherwise "to get opinions on what would happen if the circumstances were as he had posted", and while he was badly advised by CAG and his barrister friend.

 

Meanwhile, Bacon Airways are proud to announce the arrival of their new porcine flights ....

[honeybee13]

Not only that, but apparently both were out of their original cases, and were in identical cases, yet despite this the OP had his sister's pass (in the identical wallet, which he has lots of lying around his house) to return to her.

All the while while he was telling us otherwise "to get opinions on what would happen if the circumstances were as he had posted", and while he was badly advised by CAG and his barrister friend.

 

Meanwhile, Bacon Airways are proud to announce the arrival of their new porcine flights ....

 

I see what you mean, BazzaS. I hope Billy isn't trying to blame CAG for the verdict. And of course conflicting advice is part of forum life if you ask for opinions, unless it was a conflict between CAG's advice and the barrister friend.

 

HB

[BazzaS]

I see what you mean, BazzaS. I hope Billy isn't trying to blame CAG for the verdict. And of course conflicting advice is part of forum life if you ask for opinions, unless it was a conflict between CAG's advice and the barrister friend.

 

HB

 

Actually HB, I can't see where he had poor advice.

He got appropriate advice based on what he posted.

 

Because he now doesn't like the result, it is time to move the goalposts again ....... But it won't ever be his fault, unless he thinks that is the right thing to say, rather than it being the truth or what he actually feels.

[Old-CodJA]

The other 5 or 6 other people were scruff bags not in suits. They were rude and unapologetic. The complete opposite of me. I watched their trials they were rude.

 

 

That is an incredibly arrogant and bigoted remark. Whilst it may be that some people will sensibly choose to dress more formally than others, in my opinion it is a disgusting attitude to display in judging your fellow man. Next time that you see Richard Branson or other casually dressed high profile interviewee wearing sloppy sweater & jeans I suggest you go and tell them that they are somehow sub-human because of their appearance, but it might be an idea to book yourself a dental appointment first.

 

One of the worst possible traits of the arrogant is to judge others simply on their appearance.

 

Is the unemployed man dressed in jeans & tee-shirt who steals a pasty from a bakery because he is hungry less human and less deserving of attention than the millionaire banker in the Armani suit who steals from us all simply because he is greedy? By your declared measure of judgement it would appear that you think so.

 

 

I wonder if you have thought through the process of going to appeal?

 

Presumably, you think that your 'barrister friend' is going to represent your appeal at Crown Court? Well my guess is that unless s/he also wants to get laughed out of Court, s/he will advise you, as others already have, you pleaded 'Guilty'. At Court you said 'I am guilty' which equates to 'please convict me'.

 

Everyone who tried to help you on here gave sound suggestions, you got yourself into this and it seems that through breaking the rules and then the arrogance you displayed throughout, you earned yourself a criminal conviction.

 

 

I may have well have been rude too.

 

You admit here that you were 'rude' to the Court. That will always, rightly be looked upon with disdain.

 

Just recieve a letter from the court with my appeal form in it.

 

Am I appealing the sentence or conviction or both.

 

 

I think you'd better decide for yourself, or ask your 'barrister friend' whose advice so far doesn't seem to have helped you one iota.

 

I am sorry to say that in my opinion, those that have already said they feel you are no longer deserving of helpful posts on here are spot-on.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Old-CodJA

[MARTIN3030]

You know,even after being here so long and seeing so much,every day brings something new,new learning curves,and reading things that you didnt know.

I think most will choose to take what they want from the site,many will put a little or a lot back.

Although I am on the Admin team,I still navigate and read the posts from the same angles as everyone else,and still remember when I came here for help myself.

The input and advice on this thread has been tremendous and has come from people with a good understanding of the subject at hand.

The OP from post 1 admitted their part.

The further comments about an offer of £1000 to put it to bed,was probably quite startling to many.

This would undoubtedly work in Russia Ukraine or Moldova..but not here in the UK.

Back to the main points then.

Given the help support and time that regular contributors have given to this thread,and with regards to the last few posts,Site team would be failing those members to stand by without closing this thread forthwith.

With that in mind,they will not be let down.

Thanks for all patience here....and there has been a lot displayed !

[iambilly]

Hi guys

 

Hopefully you remember me, I used a freedom pass by mistake and pleaded guilty when I wasn't.

 

As a result I received a criminal conviction

 

However, I told you guys that I would send off an appeal, anyway my appeal got accepted and now I have to go to a crown court and the start of September

 

Any advice would be great

 

Thanks

 

(sorry posted this thread thing twice, I realised the tittle was wrong on my old thread)

[Old-CodJA]

I'm sure that we all remember you Billy,

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, you were found to be using someone else's Freedom Pass to which you were not entitled and the Magistrates Court found you guilty of attempted fare evasion.

 

As you say that you have now been granted leave to appeal, are you appealing the conviction or sentence or both?

 

I'm sure we will all be keen to see the outcome. What date is your appeal hearing set for mention?

 

We'll all be watching your posts with interest.

[Stigy]

Not sure I recall you, Bill.

 

I'd be interested to see what grounds you are appealing under...How did you mistakingly use somebody else's Freedom Pass?

 

I'm by no means an expert in appeals, although I've attended one or two at Crown Court, but the fact that you've been granted one, is your right, as opposed to the court looking at your case favourably?

 

On the plus side, one of the ones I was witness in did have the sentence nye on quashed....I guess Crown Courts are more for rapists and murderers and they see fare evasion as somewhat trivial?