Striking workers to lose tax credits

[MARTIN3030]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160388/Controversial-plan-stop-striking-workers-receiving-tax-credits.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[sadone]

What a nasty evil little government we're having to suffer under right now. They're doing everything they can to quash the legal right to protest.

 

I hope they rot.

[benidorm60]

it will never work, how would they know who is on strike for a day, would take ages to catch up,

 

its a threat to stop pople striking.

Doctors next week my mothers op cancelled,

They earn to much for working tax credits anyway hahaha

goverment

[debt4get]

it will never work, how would they know who is on strike for a day, would take ages to catch up,

 

its a threat to stop pople striking.

Doctors next week my mothers op cancelled,

They earn to much for working tax credits anyway hahaha

goverment

if you are entitled to working tax credit the company will get a special code which is then sent on via computer and benefit will be suspended immediately..this govt really takes the biscuit..they wont be happy until we are all working for v/little to no pay.....

[sadone]

Imo slowly but surely they're constructing a slave state.

 

"Britons never, never, never shall be slaves."

 

Yeah, right....

[debt4get]

Imo slowly but surely they're constructing a slave state.

 

"Britons never, never, never shall be slaves."

 

Yeah, right....

 

yep but when are the great british public going to wake up and smell the coffee?....i fear for the future for children and grandchildren....the constant attacks on the rights of workers, welfare state, nhs, teachers, even the bloody police for chr**ts sake...

[Guest amianne]

But surely the general subsidising of wages by way of benefits has to stop.

How many times have I heard that people will only work the minimum hours as they know that benefits will bring their income up to what it would have been had they worked 35 hours in the week.

 

Then walking off a job just because they don't like change, doing no work whilst on strike yet expecting to be subsidised again to cover the loss of those wages.

 

When will the British people wake up and smell the coffee that hard work, and long hours is the only way forward.

 

The benefit system has made the British people soft and lazy.

 

Why should workers be subsidised by the other taxpayers if they fancy a few days off striking. If they want to strike, fine I have no objections to that, but I for one object to them being paid money by the rest of us to do so. Maybe it will make people think more before withdrawing their labour. If they can afford to strike fine, let the unions pay their lost wages instead.

 

No wonder people around the world see Britain as the soft option - we have been for far too long.

[Slatted]

That seems a harsh judgement on strikers if I might say so....do you not think that sometimes they are justified in taking action? And what if they are working long hard hours already but working conditions are dangerous, for instance? How can groups make employers take notice?

 

And what about the GPs? What do you think about their strike?

[sadone]

The benefit system has made the British people soft and lazy.

 

Yeah, right......good grief.

[Nystagmite]

When will the British people wake up and smell the coffee that hard work, and long hours is the only way forward.

 

How can they work these long hours when companies are bringing in staff and cutting other employees work?

[debt4get]

britain soft...of course...lets remove the right then to a free education.healthcare, child benefit, working tax credit, housing benefit. etc, etc, that'll keep the proles like us in our place.......

[assisted blonde]

Got to say I agree with amianne, if you feel that a strike is the way forward fine but dont expect to be paid while you are on strike, either by your employer or WTC. If you dont work you dont get paid and if you dont want to strike and your union has voted for it leave the union.

IMO striking is a form of blackmail.

[Nystagmite]

Agreed, assisted blonde.

[debt4get]

IMO striking is a form of blackmail.

well when this govt has completely removed all employee rights....please post back....because we are fast heading that way.....

[assisted blonde]

Employers dont seem to have many rights either these days !

[benidorm60]

But surely the general subsidising of wages by way of benefits has to stop.

How many times have I heard that people will only work the minimum hours as they know that benefits will bring their income up to what it would have been had they worked 35 hours in the week.

 

Better to work some hours then none I would say, at least by working they are paying income tax into the system.

Then walking off a job just because they don't like change, doing no work whilst on strike yet expecting to be subsidised again to cover the loss of those wages.

 

When will the British people wake up and smell the coffee that hard work, and long hours is the only way forward.

Long hours maybe put pay a decent wage and we wouldnt have to claim WTC would we

 

The benefit system has made the British people soft and lazy.

Are all people on JSA, ESA and I.S lazy, I THINK NOT

 

Why should workers be subsidised by the other taxpayers if they fancy a few days off striking. If they want to strike, fine I have no objections to that, but I for one object to them being paid money by the rest of us to do so. Maybe it will make people think more before withdrawing their labour. If they can afford to strike fine, let the unions pay their lost wages instead

 

Everyone on any benefit are subsidised, where do you draw the line then

 

No wonder people around the world see Britain as the soft option - we have been for far too long.

 

So get rid off all benefits or just WTC and CTC then

Maybe docking one day from your working tax credits maybe if you strike, but suspending it.

I have just gone back into work, get a bit of working tax not much,

dont begrudge it me. The benefit system was there when I needed it I am neither selfish or lazy.

and if I went on strike then yes take one days working tax off me but not completely

No employer pays anyone to strike.

Edited June 18, 2012 by benidorm60

[MIKEY DABODEE]

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When will the British people wake up and smell the coffee that hard work, and long hours is the only way forward.

The benefit system has made the British people soft and lazy.

/QUOTE]

 

So those in work, should work long hard hours,

and those entitled to benefit are soft and lazy,

contrast here for sure, dont agree at all

 

and if a worker strikes then of course you shouldnt get paid,

it says working tax credit is paid for the first ten days of strike action

when is the last time we heard of a ten day strike anywhere

most are one day at the most, so the savings that are quoted I dont think so.

Edited June 18, 2012 by MIKEY DABODEE

[assisted blonde]

One day or ten days shouldnt be paid, its your choice to strike. I dont disagree with people getting benefits if they are entitiled to them, but WTC should not be paid to strikers.

I remember where I worked once that the union called a strike and suggested that those who were not in the union and didnt want to strike donate their days wages ? I do sometimes wonder what planet these union officials are on.

And yes I did work and no I didnt donate my wages.

[nyfle]

it will never work, how would they know who is on strike for a day, would take ages to catch up,

 

its a threat to stop pople striking.

Doctors next week my mothers op cancelled,

They earn to much for working tax credits anyway hahaha

goverment

 

It'll be easier to administer than you think, that is if they don't go with the status quo and perform a u-turn on this policy. All they have to do is tweak PAYE such that, if an employee goes on strike, an indicator is attached to their (the employee's) tax records.

 

Not that I agree with this policy -- I'm personally 50/50 on this. In the days of old, if one went on strike, one wouldn't be remunerated. But on the other hand, the majority of people going on strike are likely to be low-paid public sector workers.

 

At least this is a one term government; short term pain an' all that. Hopefully.

Edited June 19, 2012 by nyfle

[Dilizjo]

I think that some posters seem to have forgotten that their rights as employees were only gained by strikes during the 19th century, Were they wrong? Do you not benefit from their choice to take this action?

 

IMHO I feel that this government is definitely draconian and going back to the days of the workhouse, but without any resources as they wouldn't fund them...........

 

As for employers finding it hard..... there are those who have it extremely easy have JSA claimants working for them on work experience schemes for nothing but the benefit they already receive........ back to the slave trade......

 

Whilst I do not agree with all strikes that happen I do not condemn those who choose to participate in them or those who decide to abstain.

[count orlok]

When will people realise tax credits (which cost more than any other benefit) are not subsidies to the workers. They are subsidies for employers that allow them to pay low wages. The taxpayer is not paying the worker they are paying the employer to pay low wages.

 

The minimum wage should be a living wage.

[debt4get]

we in wales are already advocating the 'living wage' but the employers are of course screaming...it is in the consultation stage at the moment...imagine that employers will be lobbying hard not to get this introduced

[Guest amianne]

One thing that has always made me wonder is why is it that strikes only occur when there is a union involved?

 

Not all employees are members of a union. How do those employees manage to settle disputes? I have never been in a union, never worked anywhere that there was a union. But we never had to withdraw our labour to 'force' employers to the table.

 

It is called consultation. Every year there was a annual report carried out on each employee. The basis of continuing employment was to ensure that you were a good employee. As for payrises, these were discussed individually with each employee. Those that went away unhappy, left the company to find better prospects elsewhere.

 

If the unions want to force people to give up work on their say so, then the unions should be responsible to pay their lost wages AND be left open for the employer to sue them for the disruption to the business.

 

Unions are a thing of the past, they have lost most of their teeth, thank goodness! Do we really want to go back to the days of the strikes of the 70's & 80's?

 

I strongly object that any of the money that I pay in tax & NIC should be paid to those who decide to walk out!

[antone]

When will people realise tax credits (which cost more than any other benefit) are not subsidies to the workers. They are subsidies for employers that allow them to pay low wages. The taxpayer is not paying the worker they are paying the employer to pay low wages.

 

 

This is a crucial point.