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    • i would suggest that you stick to researching on here only. use our search top right for say CTAX or liability order.   you seriously have some wild theories, but those are understandable.   as i have said, there won't be a court hearing you need nor would that help you at all nor are expected to attend, it's not like that, it's merely a rubberstamp exercise .   there is no right of forced entry for bailiffs collecting CTAX debts. the bailiff process is one of a letter which will be entitled Notice of enforcement, this gives you 7 days to pay the sum it outlines with an associated fee of £75 for it being sent. the 2nd step will be a visit, you have no legal remit to engage with them at all, i i would not do so under any circumstances, that visit will add a further £235 fee those are the only things a bailiff can do. the most they can charge is a total of £310.   police do not ever get involved in civil matters like CTAX debt. not sure where you ever got that idea from.   its saturday now so use the W/end wisely, get reading up HERE ONLY it might well pay you on monday to go RING the council CTAX dept and plead poverty etc etc. it might also pay you to find the email address or even better phone number of your local MP and get him involved. they can do wonders.   dx 
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    • Hi Stu and dx1000uk,   I have done the online assessment and as I suspected I already receive the maximum benefits available to me.   Yes I was referring to the fact that some times I know that non-payment of council tax can lead to imprisonment so thanks for clarifying.   let's say I can't make their demands for payment and they do send bailiffs in, I assume these are the type of bailiffs I can just not let in and then after a certain amount of attempts they give up right? does the council then not send the police round? This is what I can't work out and worries me.   The council already know that I am struggling and can't make the payments but when do I get my chance to tell a court or the police that it's not that I don't want to pay but that I can't pay?    Walshy
    • Hi Stu and dx1000uk,   I have done the online assessment and as I suspected I already receive the maximum benefits available ot me. Yes I was referring to the fact that some times I know that non-payment of council tax can lead to imprisonment so thanks for clarifying. But let's say I can't make their demands for payment and they do send bailiffs in, I assume these are the type of bailiffs I can just not let in and then after a certain amount of attempts they give up right? But does the council then not send the police round? This is what I can't work out and worries me. The council already know that I am struggling and can't make the payments but when do I get my chance to tell a court or the police that it's not that I don't want to pay but that I can't pay?    Walshy
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Ok.

 

I've been thinking, since it says the reason I was 'charged' was because I "left the estate" and I was sure there was no 'officer' there, does that mean they saw me on a CCTV camera?

Does that also mean they might have caught who was driving?

 

Also, on the debt collection paper, it says the reason was cos I 'exceeded the time limit'... which was not the reason given by officer hence not ticked on the notice... Advantage for me somehow?

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YamiPrem, you're taking this far more seriously than it deserves, as the others have said.

 

You could come up with the best argument in the world, they won't take any notice. And you'll have wasted your time and a stamp.

 

Ignoring is OK.

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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I understand honeybee, but was just brainstorming and I like thinking about these things, lol. I'm not getting worried or anything, don't mind that.

 

But yeah, is it likely they could have picked me up on a camera? How does it work if they did, would they not have mentioned it to me if the had photograph evidence of me?

 

Again, these are not worried questions, just genuine questions. :)

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It's possible the picked you up on camera. No-one on the forum would know whether they did or where their cameras are etc. It's possible.

 

How does it work if they did? Exactly the same as now.

 

Would they not have mentioned it? Maybe, maybe not. It's not important.

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Posted hope ok New member found your site to say what I have had happen. Breifly euro car parks 30£ PCN on 10/01/12 sent them a letter stating why, can post if want! 1st letter 23 feb now 50£ no reply 13 th march enforcement for 50 from ecp no eply 19th april 95£ no reply from control accounts or they will take me to county court. thats what i wanted realy but such a waste of time have contacted itv to see if they can help its now 29th april waiting four next letter for court date. It does seem easyer to pay the 95 but principle of it ecp are praying on people in doctor surgerys when they are stressed ill and old this needs to be publicised. The car park is to small four the businesses using it ecp visit the area when the know lots of people from area have to have blood tests. I will post again when im am sure the next letter comes sorry for spelin!

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Have you actually got a proper letter from the courts , or just a letter from Euro saying they might take you to court? Euro have stated publicly they they never take people to court because they know they will never win.

 

Honestly you are taking this company too seriously. You should have just ignored all their stupid "threats" and they would have eventually just gone away. You don't owe them a penny and don't be tempted to pay them.

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Hello DBC, The letter says ecp ltd has recruited us to recover the 95 you owe the. This is control account plc. No court papers. There is no way I will pay them as I want to have my say in court, if it did happen. To hopfully help all the other people that are stressed by the same unfairness, also get it on tv. We did this quite well on another topic I was involved in and got itv, helecopter and all, reporters and first slot all day on the tv few years ago. We then had a puplic meeting and things really happened and right prevailed.

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Hey again,

 

The PPC phoned us and spoke to someone else who was at the house. I've yet to speak to that person to know what exactly the PPC said, but someone else who was there also said the PPC threatened to tell the police....

I can't see why that would help, UNLESS, the police also take their side and ask me 'who was the driver' question which I'll legally need to answer (I presume).

 

How often do PPCs even ring up houses?

Should I be prepared for something bigger than just a few letters now?

 

Thanks in advance.

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You don't have to tell anyone anything. Can you block their number so they can't call again? If they do, tell them to go forth and multiply.

 

Okay thanks, I was under the impression that I will have to answer the police if they ever do ask (I acknowledge the fact that if the PPC found out who the driver was, it wouldn't help them much anyway), no?

 

Ah, the blocking feature, I don't think I can cos it's an extra chargeable-feature on my provider which I never use to justify having. I won't pick up the phone when they call next time. :)

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They won't call the police, and if they did it is extremely unlikely that the police would be interested - there's no crime involved. Moreover, you don't have to tell the police either. You have the right to remain silent.

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why are you spending SO much time on debating a speculative invoice?

 

IGNORE THEM..

 

dx

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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why are you spending SO much time on debating a speculative invoice?

 

IGNORE THEM..

 

dx

 

I got it, I got it.

 

So what if they send a letter saying .... JOKES! :)

 

 

Sorry if I seem stupid, but I've moved on from being worried, now just being super curious. I'm fine, thanks.

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