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    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Hi All,

 

New to this site and this situation so please excuse what maybe straightforward questions and hope I have posted this in the right section.

 

I am helping my step daughter sort out her old debts.

 

The priority debts have mainly been dealt with but we now need to tackle the non-priority debts.

 

Some of these are

 

with Lowell Group

1 x Mail Order,

3 x Mobile Phone

1 x Credit Card, one is with Cabot (mail order)

and one old electricity bill with British Gas Trading (£300).

 

Total amount owed is in the region of £5K.

 

There is now another one from Wescot on behalf of British Gas for £1400.

 

This is being queried as there are no dates/property details relating to the demand.

 

Her credit report states that British Gas are owed nothing and her account is satisfied.

 

We have completed a budget plan to see how much she can afford each month to pay off the debts

- this is around £40/month.

 

Our questions relate to how now to proceed.

 

1. Should we just make a pro-rata offer to pay monthly? We could also offer to pay say, £1500 pro-rata as F&F settlement as an option.

 

2. Before making the offer, should we try to get more information via SAR's etc. before proceeding further, to see if there are any charges etc. we may be able to get removed/reduced?

 

3. If we do request SAR's, should these go to Lowells/Cabot or the original creditors or both? (I assume Lowells/Cabots have purchased and now own the debts - or is this wrong?).

 

4. She also has a CCJ against her. Should this also be included in the plan?

 

5. Finally, should the old utility bills with BG be treated as priority debts?

 

Hopefully, you guys will be able to offer some good advice.

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I will try and answer as many queries as I am able

Hi All,

 

New to this site and this situation so please excuse what maybe straightforward questions and hope I have posted this in the right section.

 

I am helping my step daughter sort out her old debts. The priority debts have mainly been dealt with but we now need to tackle the non-priority debts. Some of these are with Lowell Group (1 x Mail Order, 3 x Mobile Phone and 1 x Credit Card), one is with Cabot (mail order) and one old electricity bill with British Gas Trading (£300). Total amount owed is in the region of £5K.

 

There is now another one from Wescot on behalf of British Gas for £1400. This is being queried as there are no dates/property details relating to the demand. Her credit report states that British Gas are owed nothing and her account is satisfied.

 

This may be someone with the same name-a 'phishing' exercise

We have completed a budget plan to see how much she can afford each month to pay off the debts - this is around £40/month. Our questions relate to how now to proceed.

 

1. Should we just make a pro-rata offer to pay monthly? We could also offer to pay say, £1500 pro-rata as F&F settlement as an option.

If you intend to offer a Full and Final settlement, make sure that you get the creditor to say IN WRITING that they will not chase for the balance nor sell the remaining balance on. All monthly payments should be what can be afforded whilst leaving some to have a life

 

2. Before making the offer, should we try to get more information via SAR's etc. before proceeding further, to see if there are any charges etc. we may be able to get removed/reduced?

 

That is a most definite YES. If you don't have all the statements that is. Always go for a charges refund. You would be surprised at how much a £12 charge can grow once compounded interest is added

 

3. If we do request SAR's, should these go to Lowells/Cabot or the original creditors or both? (I assume Lowells/Cabots have purchased and now own the debts - or is this wrong?).

 

All SARs go to the Original Creditor, never (normally) a DCA. They do not have the info

 

4. She also has a CCJ against her. Should this also be included in the plan?

 

A CCJ has to be paid separate. Others may comment here

5. Finally, should the old utility bills with BG be treated as priority debts?

 

Only your current bills are a priority. Any utility bill that is with a DCA is then LOW priority

 

Hopefully, you guys will be able to offer some good advice.

 

 

I am going to move this thread to the debt collection forum as there are loads of peeps there who have been in this situation before.

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you mention her credit file

 

are all these debts showing?

 

 

on the cat debt...sar and get reclaiming.

on the mobile phone ones - pers i'd ignore them for now.

 

how old is the CCJ and has she ever paid anything on it?

 

dx

 

 

when was the last time she serviced any of these debts.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi guys,

 

Thanks for the replies.

 

Silverfox1961, thanks for your reply and confirming what I was thinking would be the best procedure. I will let Lowells know what we are doing as I think it takes upto 40 days to get the SAR,s back so presumably, they will lay off a bit.

 

dx100uk, again thanks for taking the time to reply. All the debts mentioned are showing as 'defaulted' on the credit file with the exception of the British Gas/Wescot one for £1,400 - no mention of this with Call Credit, Experian or Checkmyfile. Still waiting for Equifax to get back to us.

 

Other accounts on her credit file are good and up to date.

 

I take your point about the mobile debts and am somewhat in the same mind. However, as I explained to her, these debts won't just go away even though it is unlikely they will take further action i.e. courts.

 

The CCJ is from Dec 08 for £319.00 and is showing as 'Active'. Nothing has been paid off it.

 

All the current debts on her credit file have been chased over the past few weeks/months but she has not paid anything off them once she started having problems. Most are 2007-2010.

 

 

One other thing I meant to ask: Is there any mileage in getting my step daughter to authorise the DCA's to deal with only me to avoid them hassling her? Or will this have an impact on my creidt rating. She admits she hasn't handled things well but I get annoyed when these debts can escalate so much due to the punative charges and interest they apply, especially as by there nature, they are against the people that can least afford it. Talk about easy targets!!!!!!!!!

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what are the defaults dates too...

 

as for the CCJ, if you pay it, which ofcourse is the right thing to do, it will show on her file for 6yrs from then.

as its such a small amount, and i bet the bal had PENALTY charges/ppi to, it might be better to let it run

it will fall off after 6yrs.

 

linked into that though , are the other debts, if they [the defaults] will fall of about the sametime it wont hurt to pay the CCJ.

 

you acting will not affect her cra

 

i am a bit concerned you might also be placing too much creedance on these DCA's

they have no legal powers to do ANYTHING to her

they are not bailiffs

 

whose name is listed against each debt as the OWNER

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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what are the defaults dates too...

 

as for the CCJ, if you pay it, which ofcourse is the right thing to do, it will show on her file for 6yrs from then.

as its such a small amount, and i bet the bal had PENALTY charges/ppi to, it might be better to let it run

it will fall off after 6yrs.

 

linked into that though , are the other debts, if they [the defaults] will fall of about the sametime it wont hurt to pay the CCJ.

 

you acting will not affect her cra

 

i am a bit concerned you might also be placing too much creedance on these DCA's

they have no legal powers to do ANYTHING to her

they are not bailiffs

 

whose name is listed against each debt as the OWNER

 

dx

 

Thanks dx,

 

Defaults dates are:

Oct 10

May 08

Mar 10

Mar 09

Nov 08

 

and another one May 06 for a £5K loan. Not included this as it is due to come off in May 12.

 

I thought the rule was that the 6 years is from the last time they communicate/chase you, not from the default date or am I getting mixed up?. Can you confirm please.

 

I appreciate there is little the DCA's can do and in time her credit file will improve. She struggles to get credit, as you will appreciate, if she does it's at horrendous interest rates.

 

On Checkmyfile, The Catalogue debts are listed as being owned by Lowells and Cabots. The mobiles are with the respective mobile companies. The loan due to come off in May 12 is shown as being held at her latest post code. Could this be a problem?

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I thought the rule was that the 6 years is from the last time they communicate/chase you, not from the default date or am I getting mixed up?. Can you confirm please.
From your last payment or written acknowledgement. it doesn't matter a jot when they last communicated as long as you didn't admit anything in writing.
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From your last payment or written acknowledgement. it doesn't matter a jot when they last communicated as long as you didn't admit anything in writing.

 

Ah. We did email lowells and the others confirming receipt of letters from them chasing the debts and stating that we were getting CRA files to get a full indication of the situation. However, we did not refer to or 'acknowledge' any specific debt by either creditor/Acc. No./Amount etc. Does this still count as an 'ackowledgement'? At the same time we asked them to stop applying interest etc. and to only contact us in writing.

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ideally and debt 'should' fall of your CRA file close to the SB date

6yrs since YOUR last financial transaction in/out or WRITTEN

where you sign and date a letter saying THIS IS NY DEBT.

 

the email wont count.

 

i say ideally, but as quite often happens

is the debts are defaulted 'some months' after your last payment

 

so its always best to go by the default date - on the defaults 6th birthday , the account should go, paid or not.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Jobmid, thanks for your reply. She was served with the CCJ although it related to unpaid council tax at a previous address and she had informed them she moved.

 

It looks like the choice is between ignoring them until Oct 16 or trying to settle at around 15-20% of the total.

 

If we try to reduce the debts by asking for charges etc. to be removed, would they then expect the reduced balance to be repaid or will they be prepared to accept 15-20% of the reduced balance? (assuming we can get them reduced).

 

Rather settle than pay token payments for years as no doubt they will hassle every 6 months to increase the payments and ask for updated financial statements.

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CCJ for council tax?

 

think not

 

that goes via a court liabilty order and bailiffs

 

something is not right here

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks dx,

 

Not quite sure now then as there are no details recorded. She just thought it was council tax. Just noticed on Experian CR that the name is wrong, missing letter, and the post code is wrong. Dont think they are typo's, just wrong information. Would that be a case to get the judgement set aside?

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Are you sure this CCJ has anything to do with her at all?

missing letter and wrong postcode could mean they have the wrong person

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Not so sure it's not hers as the name and address and almost correct.

 

Anyway, just found out she didn't even know about the CCJ until we got her credit file from checknyfile about 2 months ago.

She certainly doesn't recall receiving any court correspondence relating to a CCJ, other than the usual threatening DCA letters.

 

On that basis, could we apply for it to be set aside?

What is the likely outcome, could it still be denied as she probably owes the money but has had no opportunity to defend or offer to pay the debt.

 

At this stage we don't even know who the debt is with.

 

Just checked online with Registry Trust Ltd, using her correct name and address at the time and it came back as nothing recorded.

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phone the court monday morning

they will tell you

you want the details in the judgement box.

 

will be northampton bulk court

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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