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Penalty Fare - Out of date Railcard - Help Please!

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I have just been issued a penalty fare of £60 because I my railcard was out of date. This was 100% an honest mistake. It infact ran out in Oct 17th but because I always just keep it in my wallet and because the writing was so worm off I had no idea that it was invalid when boarding the train.


When the inspector checked the ticket it even took him a couple of good looks to see it but then issued me the fair. I tried to explain to him that it was 100% an honest mistake, I take the journey about 2 times a month and of course always buy a ticket.


Just hoping that there is something I can do or advice in writting my appeal? To continue the sob story but also lost my job today and so really can't afford to pay the fine.


Really think that it is unfair to be charged for such an honest mistake. If I knew it was out of date I would have renewed it without question and because I quite clearly wasnt trying to avoid payment, I also have a vaild ticket.


Another point I was going to but in my letter was that because of the times that I travel - weekends - I am constainly having to get bus replacements. This very often has added 2 hours each way on my jounery. Wasn't sure however if this would really make any difference.


Any help would be great

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Unfortunately, i do not think this is what you are wanting to hear


The responsibility for checking that any railcard that the traveller intends to use is valid always lies with the traveller.


Claiming a discount and not having a valid railcard to support that claim could be reported as attempted fare evasion, but may more often be charged as the strict liability offence of 'fail to show a valid ticket' (National Railway Byelaw 18.2)


If a Penalty Fare Notice was issued, the best I can I suggest is that you pay it and learn from the experience.

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Thanks for the reply, although you're missing the point somewhat. Surely there is room for benefit of the doubt.


You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think it is very important to recognise that there was no doubt.


Your railcard was out of date.

You had claimed a discount that you were not entitled to.


The guard issued a Penalty Fare Notice, which is a civil remedy allowing the matter to be dealt with without the rail company taking more serious action, but you could have been reported.

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I'm guessing they have heard every story on the planet regardless of your pleas count ya blessings you ain't in court and collecting a matching criminal record for fair evasion in your shoes i'd Pay the fine ... Buy a new railcard .... Take it on the chin!.... Set a reminder on ya fone to let you know your tickets is due to expire :-)

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Hi all


I have today received a letter from the RPSS relating to a Penalty Fare Notice, stating that I have to pay my fine of £59 within 14 days or face an extra £20 fee.


The issue I have is that I have appealed this Penalty Fare Notice and have not received a reply to this. I have been advised that I have to still pay the fine and if my appeal is successful this will be refunded to me. I don't however see how this can be fair as surely the payment should be supended until the case is looked out.


To give you background on my case, I travelled with a vaild ticket, although my railcard was out of date. On the day in question I did queue for around 20 mins to renew this but couldnt wait any longer as otherwise would have missed my train.


What should I do, I'm guessing I should just pay the fine and wait for my appeal. I am however currently out of work and also fear that payment of the fund will mean it will be harder to claim back and also might mean that my appeal is not taken in the same light, as in why overturn it if its already been paid.


Any help?

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If your Railcard was out of date and you had a discounted ticket, your ticket was NOT valid


A discounted ticket has to be shown complete with a valid in date Railcard (including photocard) in order to make it valid for travel. You accept those terms & conditions when you apply for or accept a Railcard


My suggestion is pay the penalty. If you do not and your appeal fails, which I am certain it will (unless you get it seen by someone who has had a lot too much of the Christmas spirit) then the rail company could cancel the notice and go for prosecution. Risking that will be much more expensive.

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