Turn alcohol related fine to my advantage

[hogemeister]

Someone must tell me if I am an idiot or not.

Personally i don't think so.

 

Very recently I was caught by the police for an alcohol related incident. No one was harmed during the said incident including myself.

So, I would like to turn this to my advantage if possible.

 

In my defence, i would like to say i was forced to consume alcohol, due to alcohol advertising. And I have one particular brand I would mention. But I'm not mentioning here.

 

As with these forums, most consumers won't just roll over and accept what has been handed to them, and I feel the same way about my little incident. So does anyone think i have a case?

 

I would LOVE to hear all thoughts on the matter, particularly legal ones!

 

Thank You!

[postggj]

Alchohol related incident

 

now is this

 

1/ drinking in a controlled zone

2/ d & d or drink driving

3/ etc, etc

[hogemeister]

Let's just say I was releiving myself.

[postggj]

Public order offence then

 

unless you suffer from diabetes etc, you have no defence

 

this is normally delt with by a fixed penalty by the copper on the spot fine

 

i take it ther was no court appearence etc

[hogemeister]

In your opinion, would you admit advertising works?

[postggj]

No, advets do not work

 

i am getting rid of sky as ime sick to my back teeth on the amount of adverts they do

 

adverts are now a real turn off

[hogemeister]

Advertisers and marketeers would have a different opinion.

And we are consumers, so we consume what they tell us to, whether we know it or not.

[postggj]

subliminal messaging /advertising has been banned

 

we all have brains to decide what crap we like or hate

[Mrs E Blackadder]

I agree with Postggj. No-one can force you to drink alcohol, or are you saying that you hear voices in your head? Inwhich case, I think you are just digging yourself an even deeper hole!

[hogemeister]

i'm not talking about voices in my head. i mean advertising, and how powerful it actually is.

This entire website wouldn't exist, if it wasn't for advertising. Just think about it.

[postggj]

Its called informed choice

[hogemeister]

Ok.

But who informed you that you have a choice?

It has to come from somewhere.

[postggj]

Magna carta

common law

free speach

etc

etc

[hogemeister]

By choice i mean purchasing choice.

[Mrs E Blackadder]

No one forces you to buy alcohol, drink alcohol or even wash your socks in it if you so choose. The end choice is yours and yours alone. Why don't you deny your alcohol related incident and ask for it to go to court? You could then be sure whether or not you could blame advertising for what happened.

[hogemeister]

To be honest, I didn't really post to win any arguments or to succeed at one-up-manship, I was really looking for some debate on my issue, and what other members thought of my predicament.

 

Mrs Blackadder, if you believe your mind is your own, then I think you are clearly a a mature woman, but this would not happen to the young, as the majority of them are highly persuasive. Just look at what they wear, they all dress the same, boys and girls, so if they dress the same, it's clear they are not individuals.

There was an excellent documentary called "Century of the Self" which explains how the masses are controlled.

It certainly opened my eyes, as I thought my mind was my own also.

[postggj]

The message is

 

give the public what they want and it will sell

 

give a good product then the next model along the sales line will be a seller

 

still informed choice though

[hogemeister]

Fair enough.

 

But, "give the public what they want and it will sell"

I have heard that before. But it came out the mouth of a paparazzi photographer, who attempt to sell gash newspapers to the masses.

 

Then "give a good product then the next model along the sales line will be a seller"

This is also nonsense.

 

If the product is so good, you won't need another one! Unless you're one of the masses...

 

So, it's not informed choice. You may like to think so, but it's not.

 

For instance. The advert with the meercats. I've used it, and everyone else has also. So how did we know about it? Advertising, and advertising alone. So yes, advertising doesn't work does it?

And it's what i mean about alcohol advertising!!

Can nobody see that yet?

[honeybee13]

I like the meerkats because they're funny. I've never used the site they're advertising. I don't really understand where you're going with this thread though, is it a personal crusade? There's a different forum here that you might like.

 

My best, HB

[hogemeister]

I give up

[wittsend]

I would give up alcohol.

then you wouldn't be in trouble, would you??

[hogemeister]

Ok...

 

But you can't just say give up alcohol because it got me in a little trouble.

That's like telling a vegetarian to stop eating after being caught stealing a carrot.

 

Let me tell you a little story...

Many years ago an irate consumer was unhappy about his bank charges.

He wrote his bank many letters forcing them to fully explain the charging structures.

In the end he was forced to take his bank to court. And he won.

 

Now, this may seem absolutely normal RIGHT NOW

But at the time, would you?

Would you have taken your bank to court?

Would you have the audacity to take your bank to court?

I think not.

 

So, for people who may think I'm being a little naive, I would love to hear comments on "Turn alcohol related fine to my advantage"

[wittsend]

Ok...

 

But you can't just say give up alcohol because it got me in a little trouble.

That's like telling a vegetarian to stop eating after being caught stealing a carrot.

 

 

not quite how I see it,

A vegetarian would need the carrot to live

You think you need alcohol to live

 

are you saying you cannot stay alive unless you have alcohol. and that you would steal for it,

if so you need to seek help my friend

[hogemeister]

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying it was forced on to me, just like iPods, iPhones, iPads, setees, big flat screen tvs, laptops, insurance, home improvement, getting on the property ladder.... and we suck it all up without batting an eyelid.

So no, I'm not saying I need it to survive, I'm saying it was forced on to me.

 

Does anyone else think the opposite?

 

A little advertising humour to help us along :

And please put children out of the room.

Bill Hicks on Advertising and Marketing on YouTube.

George Carlin - Advertising Lullaby on YouTube

[honeybee13]

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying it was forced on to me, just like iPods, iPhones, iPads, setees, big flat screen tvs, laptops, insurance, home improvement, getting on the property ladder.... and we suck it all up without batting an eyelid.

So no, I'm not saying I need it to survive, I'm saying it was forced on to me.

 

Does anyone else think the opposite?

 

Yes.