Bailiffs - the true horrors - The Exposure TV documentary - Rossendales - Comments

[ploddertom]

I've ust remembered that Mrs Rossendales must also have a selective memory when it comes down to the misbehaviour of her Bailiffs. There was Vicki2** who was also assaulted and when the Form 4 came to Court the Bailiff lost her Certificate, the fact she never turned up spoke volumes. Then of course I believe there is a certain Mr K****w or C****w who in fact still appears to be employed by her Company.

 

PT

[wonkeydonkey]

Well that adds to her % of complaints she decries is insignificant , of course even one proven complaint is one to many.

 

WD

[caledfwlch]

The USA would not let their citizen be extradited to the UK, but the treaty on extradition is more favourable to the USA getting hold of a brit, same way EU arrest warrant would allow extradition to any EU country for an alleged offence even if it is not a crime here, even down to something published, and the criminal has not actually left the UK, say something silly like insulting the Greek Flag in a blog, the way this is framed would mean the greek police could ask for the blogger and he /she would have to be handed over no ifs or buts..

 

It will not be long before, for example holocaust deniers in the UK receive German Arrest Warrants, for denying the holocaust, even without ever visiting Germany.

 

Idiotic, bigoted wastes of space they may be, the fact is they have not broken UK law. And I like my bigots where I can see them, not underground planning wickedness, and building a groundswell of support as "Victims" The best thing that happened to the BNP was allowing the party to exist. Nobody can show you up, as you can yourself

[caledfwlch]

I've ust remembered that Mrs Rossendales must also have a selective memory when it comes down to the misbehaviour of her Bailiffs. There was Vicki2** who was also assaulted and when the Form 4 came to Court the Bailiff lost her Certificate, the fact she never turned up spoke volumes. Then of course I believe there is a certain Mr K****w or C****w who in fact still appears to be employed by her Company.

 

PT

 

I would like to see a website, preferablly hosted in the Ukraine or somewhere, naming and shaming Bailiff's and their home addresses. Add that little bit more pressure to "behave". Someone did one for corrupt judges, and solicitors etc in my county, but its never really been updated or publicised.

http://bowtieclown.org/

 

Mind things are really bad in my town now, and I imagine the Bailiff's are really bad here too - a relative, the little cow from Excel told her that she had no right to force entry, but she DID have the right to smash the door lock off, and replace it, and then deny entry to the home, until the warrant was paid.

 

I have worked out she is local, and it won't be much work to get her address, and she will be receiving a letter of complaint, direct, and hand delivered. Wonder if that will make her see the error of her ways

[brassnecked]

I would like to see a website, preferablly hosted in the Ukraine or somewhere, naming and shaming Bailiff's and their home addresses. Add that little bit more pressure to "behave". Someone did one for corrupt judges, and solicitors etc in my county, but its never really been updated or publicised.

http://bowtieclown.org/

 

Mind things are really bad in my town now, and I imagine the Bailiff's are really bad here too - a relative, the little cow from Excel told her that she had no right to force entry, but she DID have the right to smash the door lock off, and replace it, and then deny entry to the home, until the warrant was paid.

 

I have worked out she is local, and it won't be much work to get her address, and she will be receiving a letter of complaint, direct, and hand delivered. Wonder if that will make her see the error of her ways

 

Yes the cow from Excel needs pulling down a peg or two, pity there wasn't a recording of the mare making the threats. I'm sure Excel would like to answer to the County Council Homelessness officer, when the aggrieved debtor has to go to them for temporary accommodation, they being wrongfully evicted from their home.

 

That site needs a refresh and a decent navigation as it is not easy to get around it, broken links etc

[outlawla]

For anyone outside the UK who can't view the programme on Iplayer, or for when it is no longer viewable in this country, it has now been posted on youtube.

 

ITV's Exposure: bailiffs 1

 

ITV's Exposure: bailiffs 2

 

ITV's Exposure: bailiffs 3

 

ITV's Exposure: bailiffs 4

[jtayl]

For anyone outside the UK who can't view the programme on Iplayer, or for when it is no longer viewable in this country, it has now been posted on youtube.

 

 

Thank you outlawla, just what I need.

 

May I also make an appeal to posters to cut down on the emotive words like 'cow' or 'mare', the facts of the story are bad enough without us having to rely on epithets to get our feelings across.

 

That does not bar comments like 'liar' 'thug' 'incompetence' though, and those words convey far better what we all think.

[outlawla]

The Sunday Telegraph:

 

Police pick which laws must be obeyed

 

Police pick which laws must be obeyed (Jpg)

 

"On Monday, ITV broadcast an hour long documentary in its Exposure strand purporting to reveal the scandalous behaviour of private bailiffs......

 

It was immediately apparent, however, that there was something very odd about this programme when we were assured that "there are no laws" governing how bailiffs conduct their business, "only guidlines". This was so breathtakingly untrue that one could only surmise that ITV's lawyers......

 

The conduct of bailiffs is governed by a whole thicket of laws, from the Distress for Rent Rules 1988 and the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement)Regulations 1992 to the 2006 Fraud Act – and the programme showed these laws were being broken in all directions. In fact, as I reported on September 25, these illegalities are taking place on a daily basis all over the country....."

 

 

Councils Abet Bailiffs...

 

We shouldn't let our councils cheat us out of £25bn a year

[outlawla]

I wonder how many hours Julie Geen-Jones spent composing all her own comments to her Oscar winning post on the Campaigne For Change site.

[seanamarts]

I just posted on there several times, we shall see if they have let them through. I wasnt rude at all I shocked myself:jaw:

[seanamarts]

Im still a little bewildered though at why lady rossers still believes that her bailiffs are angels and work by the book. If her or her colleagues read the forums then they should know that their bailiffs do not and can be very threatening to some people. One lady bailiff quite recently lost her certificate who was working for them. So thats two we know of for definite, any one care to list any more. please no mention of personal names , just dates etc what happened, maybe we can get a list together and show some one that this was not the first and it still goes on.

[brassnecked]

Im still a little bewildered though at why lady rossers still believes that her bailiffs are angels and work by the book. If her or her colleagues read the forums then they should know that their bailiffs do not and can be very threatening to some people. One lady bailiff quite recently lost her certificate who was working for them. So thats two we know of for definite, any one care to list any more. please no mention of personal names , just dates etc what happened, maybe we can get a list together and show some one that this was not the first and it still goes on.

 

The bosses must know what goes on, they cannot be completely in the dark as to tactics used on the ground, so it is disingenuous to say that this is a rarity, especially with the weight of evidence on CAG forums as to their behaviour, that even if half of it could be dismissed as scurrilous claims, it is still enough to call the whole "industry" into question.

 

Perhaps Rossers are after that EU contract to collect the Greek debt

[seanamarts]

Perhaps Rossers are after that EU contract to collect the Greek debt

 

Tthe bailiffs wouldnt survive

[1Loretta]

I presume that when Rossendales receive hundreds of £s in fees instead of the £42 or so that they are allowed to charge they check very thoroughly why those huge fees were collected and refund them immediately - yes I have been on the gin again!!!!!

[seanamarts]

Dont worry 1Loretta, Bailiffs have driven many to drink

[outlawla]

I just posted on there several times, we shall see if they have let them through. I wasnt rude at all I shocked myself:jaw:

 

Just posted this on the link Campaign for Change

 

Your comment is awaiting moderation, will it stay or will it go?

 

“There are only currently guidelines for bailiffs to operate within, and while we have been calling for regulation and legislation for some years, we need action now.

 

His actions certainly do not reflect Rossendales values and principles. Since our formation in 1972, we have had continual positive feedback from clients.”

 

You would hope the head of a firm that enforces alleged Council Tax debt for around 150 local authorities would know there are in fact regulations and legislation in place to protect the public from bailiff malpractice.

 

The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 (As amended) – relied upon by councils to permit the instruction of bailiffs – can be found within them, regulations which govern how bailiffs should operate. The two most notable of these are found in PART VI (Enforcement), under R(45) Distress and R(46) Appeals in connection with distress. The fees bailiffs can charge are found in Schedule 5 of the same regulations (Charges connected with distress). The distress for Rent Rules 1988 has similar legislation which provides a complaint facility (Form 4) which allows those aggrieved by bailiff malpractice to submit the complaint to the County court which issued the bailiff's certificate. Unfortunately, Judges dealing with these complaints tend to side with the bailiff and any justification to the complainant for their decision, doesn't seem to be a requirement.

 

Of course legislation in the Fraud Act 2006, theoretically protects the public from much of the malpractice you are likely to encounter with these bailiffs. Unfortunately the Police have no interest in applying this legislation in instances where bailiffs have defrauded or attempted to defraud alleged debtors; either this or their hands are tied. Similarly the Data Protection Act 1998 is in place to protect the public against breaches of of confidentiality. The Information Commissioners Office should step in where bailiffs have breached this with alleged debtors, but it seems they let it go and are not interested in formally dealing with them.

 

So there it is, the problem is not so much a lack of regulations and legislation, rather the authorities would prefer to turn a blind eye and pretend it doesn't exist.

 

Wait! I'm forgetting something. Independent organisations like the Local Government Ombudsman and the Citizens Advice Bureau are in place to protect the public and would surely take up your case wouldn't they?

 

Nah, not really, I wouldn't bank on it.

 

A debt collection/bailiff firm offering commission based on the number of contacts made with alleged debtors will inevitably attract the more "enthusiastic" applicant wanting to exceed targets and maximise their fees by visiting (or not as the case may be) the highest number of "customers" in the shortest possible time.

 

It would be naive to think greed has not been 'taken advantage of' by councils and this incentive offered to earn unlimited pay is exploited by them. But what local authorities don't bank on are the motives behind bailiffs exceeding targets.

 

They are of course, playing the system and the rhyming up of fees, to the bailiff firm, has more importance than securing debt owed to councils. Local authorities must have cottoned on to this and I wonder if they're impressed that not only are "customers" getting stitched-up by these private enforcement firms but also the councils?

[seanamarts]

We shall be watching

[Notyetavet]

I just posted on there several times, we shall see if they have let them through. I wasnt rude at all I shocked myself:jaw:

Sorry I did not add to your reply on the Rossendale blog but post this to a reply by the owners of Rossendales just a little higher.

 

I have a blog which is slanted deliberately, as is this blog, towards getting my voice heard. With the Bailiff Industry they, and you and your partner in your reply here, have clearly indicated a subtlety in manipulation of fact. I.E. never represent true facts and always blame the rogue individual. You could be working for that other oxymoron Military Intelligence.

Had your industry the slightest intention of abiding by common law or even statute law of assault, you would accept Wendy Seaman's (contribution below) offer of a front to front exchange. There is the perfect opportunity and I have written to Lord Bach and Lord Lucas offering my attendance at the House of Lords for your intended "Love-Inn".

The fact is that you have perfectly innocent victims of your own industry terrified by your illegal approach to a delicate subject. My complaint to the IPCC was echoed in the recent report on the Police and that body's inability or lack of authority to give reasonable satisfaction to injured parties makes this future and most other future exercises futile.

Laws already exist to have you and all your fellow conspirators charged under existing legislation of employers liability, for police to be prosecuted for malfeasance in public office, and the whole damn lot to be charge with fraud and extortion on the innocent victims and here I do not include the mentally sick or the physically disabled.

[brassnecked]

Tthe bailiffs wouldnt survive

The Greeks don't like paying tax allegedly (does anyone?) and that is why they are in a mess we are told, so you are right; even rossers and Mr Boast wouldn't get a single cent, or drachma when they leave the Euro

[joe1965]

Campaign for Change

 

Having just read through that site it is so obvious that staf & friends and family of staff have been doing the posting on there. I have never seen a forum which has been so one sided.

[seanamarts]

They are very very choosy in what they let through, Im still waiting for answers, no doubt they will be though, Just typical really.

Would any one care to answer my questions?

[brassnecked]

Campaign for Change is an oxymoron, they only want change that allows them more power to break down the door and clear out a house and tow any cars on the first visit

[Notyetavet]

It gets even worse especially when your local MP ignores everything that is happening.

Stephen Nolan has a campaign on health, just started, and he has selected mental disorders, dementia and Alzheimers. Let it be known that Andy Millers had early stage dementia and it did not prevent police NOT investigating his death thoroughly. Nor have Marston Group every accepted that the request from the courts to test the veracity of the family claim of vulnerability was their "Duty of Care".

If you have a relative who is vulnerable it becomes more essential that the family is educated into needs and requirements of the sufferer. dementia is most insidious because it it invariably the family which is the last echelon to recognise the malaise.

[wonkeydonkey]

WOW,,,20,000+ views to this post and 300+ comments....I think a lot of people have gleaned a lot of info as to how they have been fleeced by bailiffs, hopefully most of them will now know they have the right to stand up to bullying bailiffs and the deceit of their inflated fees.

 

WD

[Vicki202]

Haven't they just passed something to say you can use as much force as you wish with intruders, let em in I say, they got to get past both my dogs before they get to the baseball bat, or if I happen to be making a cuppa there's a kettle of boiling water waiting..

 

I tried to let my dog at one and got pounced on by 9 coppers :/