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I need help, I have got myself in a mess again. I have had the bailiffs call yesterday for an unpaid parking ticket. He said that I need to pay now or my car will be taken today. I said that I do not have the money now can I make an arrangment to pay. I was not allow to make an arrangement this was his third visit now and that he if I signed a form of notice of seizure of goods and inventory then he would give me 5 days to pay or he would be back to remove the car. I felt I had to sign the form as I did not have the money to pay which is £521.84 I did not have the chance to read the form. I was also told that an arrangement could not be made now it was too late either pay in full within the 5 days or the car gets taken.

 

I dont know what to do now, please help.

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I do remember getting a ticket last year, I though I had paid the council, must have not done it. I dont remember any visits or any letters I would have to check. It just seems a lot to pay for a parking ticket. the paperwork I got yesterday says if pay today £512.60 then further down if paid on ? £521.84. I am not able to look now as have 3 small childern at home so will not be able to look until they are in bed.

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I have been reading the other thread to get some understanding as what I can do. I will pay the outstanding parking ticket as I probabley owe it and any charges to the bailiff that are due (£521.84 is a lot) but I am not able to do it by Saturday and I cannot be without the car. It is not even worth £521, I live in a very small village with 4 children, 2 are still babies (under 2), so to be without the car would be impossible.

 

Would I be able to pay the council the fine and then try to make an arrangement with the bailiff for the fees. would this stop them taking the car?

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Would they turn up on Saturday to take the car?

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Would they turn up on Saturday to take the car?

 

I think they can turn up on Saturday, but not Sunday or a Bank Holiday, unless their contract permits it

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Could someone please give me some advise as what to do.

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I contacted Bistow & Sutor yesterday to ask for an arrangement saying that the car is in my partners name but the I own the car as I use it the most, but the parking ticket is in my partners name. I also asked to make an arrangment and a breakdown of their charges

 

this was their reply

 

Dear Sir,

 

Re: Outstanding Penalty Charge Notice Owed To Rutland Council

Case ID:

 

We write with reference to the above and confirm receipt of your email.

 

With reference to your comments regarding the seized vehicle we require documentary evidence of the transaction of the vehicle. Once this is received we will review our position.

 

Please find attached a statement of your account as requested.

 

We request that you complete the attached questionnaire and return with a proposal for payment by 17.05.11.

 

Failure to comply with the above will result in further recovery action being taken against you for which you will be liable for additional costs.

 

Yours Faithfully,

 

 

this is the charges they sent

 

£110.00 Opening Balance

28/02/11 £13.44 Letter Fee: 28/02/11

23/03/11 £41.66 A.T.L. Fee (First Visit):23/03/11

20/04/11 £55.78 A.T.L. Fee (Second Visit): 20/04/11

20/04/11 £108.00 A.T.R. Costs (Second Visit): 20/04/11

09/05/11 £75.72 Levy Fee: 09/05/11

09/05/11 £9.24 W/Poss Up To: 09/05/11

09/05/11 £108.00 A.T.R. Costs (Third Visit): 09/05/11

£521.84 Current Balance

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I contacted Bistow & Sutor yesterday to ask for an arrangement saying that the car is in my partners name but the I own the car as I use it the most, but the parking ticket is in my partners name. I also asked to make an arrangement and a breakdown of their charges

 

this was their reply

 

Dear Sir,

 

Re: Outstanding Penalty Charge Notice Owed To Rutland Council

Case ID:

 

We write with reference to the above and confirm receipt of your email.

 

With reference to your comments regarding the seized vehicle we require documentary evidence of the transaction of the vehicle. Once this is received we will review our position.

 

Please find attached a statement of your account as requested.

 

We request that you complete the attached questionnaire and return with a proposal for payment by 17.05.11.

 

Failure to comply with the above will result in further recovery action being taken against you for which you will be liable for additional costs.

 

Yours Faithfully,

 

 

this is the charges they sent

 

£110.00 Opening Balance

28/02/11 £13.44 Letter Fee: 28/02/11

23/03/11 £41.66 A.T.L. Fee (First Visit):23/03/11

20/04/11 £55.78 A.T.L. Fee (Second Visit): 20/04/11

20/04/11 £108.00 A.T.R. Costs (Second Visit): 20/04/11

09/05/11 £75.72 Levy Fee: 09/05/11

09/05/11 £9.24 W/Poss Up To: 09/05/11

09/05/11 £108.00 A.T.R. Costs (Third Visit): 09/05/11

£521.84 Current Balance

 

I'm not to good with parking tickets but

20/04/11 £108.00 A.T.R. Costs (Second Visit): 20/04/11

they cant charge an Attendance to remove fee without a valid levy therefore this fee should not have been charged (they also cant charge it the same day as a visit fee

 

09/05/11 £9.24 W/Poss Up To: 09/05/11

09/05/11 £108.00 A.T.R. Costs (Third Visit): 09/05/11

again they cant charge an attendance to remove fee on the same day as a levy fee

as for the w/possession before this date there was no levy

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......Would I be able to pay the council the fine and then try to make an arrangement with the bailiff for the fees. would this stop them taking the car?

 

I don't know if parking enforcement works the same way as Council Tax if you by-pass the bailiff company and pay the council direct; but if it does, the bailiff can not levy for his fees.

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Thank you Hallowitch, not having to pay £216 will help alot. If I owe it I will pay it, I just cannot afford to be overcharged. So does that mean I owe £110 for the parking fine and £195.84 for the bailiff fees.

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this is bugging me £110.00 Opening balance

 

can you go on your council web site and see how much a pcn charge is

 

an unpaid pnc goes to the traffic enforcement centre (TEC) for a warrant of execution this costs the council £5 and is added to the pnc

 

without this they cant use bailiffs to enforce the pnc

 

 

its just a thought but well Worth checking out

 

you can phone TEC if you have a ref number and ask them Their telephone number is: 08457 045 007.

 

if there is ask for the address on the warrant

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Thank you Hallowitch, not having to pay £216 will help alot. If I owe it I will pay it, I just cannot afford to be overcharged. So does that mean I owe £110 for the parking fine and £195.84 for the bailiff fees.

 

thats the way i see it

 

you must however send a formal complaint to your council informing them that you believe there contractor rundle&co are trying to charge you fees that do not comply with the The Enforcement of Road Traffic Debts (Certificated Bailiffs) (Amendment) 2003 send them them a copy of the breakdown ask them to investigate your complaint

 

inform them that rundle & co are threatening to remove your car on Saturday ask them if they have authorised the removal inform them that the car has no or little value therefore wont cover the bailiff fees when sold at auction

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I rang the TEC she could not give me much information as the ticket is in my partners name. A warrant of execution has been issued by the council. She is sending me some forms to see if I can appeal against the bailiffs.

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Tried to find out about the fees the council charge for the parking fine but could not find anything regarding parking at all. I will have to give them a ring.

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I finally found some information on the council website

 

5. How much should I pay?

Lower rate contraventions are charged at £50 and higher rate contraventions at £70. This penalty charge is reduced by 50% to £25 and £35 respectively, if it is paid not later than the last day of the period of 14 days beginning with the date on which the PCN was served. A full list of the different contraventions and which charging bracket they fall into is available.

 

6. What if I do not pay and ignore the issuing of the PCN?

If you do not pay a PCN within 14 days from the date of issue the discounted charge will no longer apply and the full charge must be paid. This will be either £50 or £70 depending on the level of the contravention.

 

If payment remains outstanding after 28 days, a Notice to Owner is sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle. This provides a further period of 28 days in which to pay or make a formal representation before a charge certificate is issued.

 

If payment still remains outstanding further charges can be added at later dates as the ticket progresses to a charge certificate stage (£75 or £105) and then registered at the County Court increasing the outstanding charge by a court registration fee. If the PCN is still not paid at this stage, a warrant of execution will be granted to a bailiff for recovery. The bailiff will then add further charges for the recovery of the charge on top of the existing amount.

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The car is in my husbands name but the car is mine as I use it. The parking offence is mine but because the car is in my husbands name so is the ticket. I didn't know if this made any difference, probably not.

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Would a stat dec be of use here as they will hide behind data protection as husband is RK, to whom they have issued the ticket not OP. who actually got the ticket?.

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The car is in my husbands name but the car is mine as I use it. The parking offence is mine but because the car is in my husbands name so is the ticket. I didn't know if this made any difference, probably not.

 

 

no it wont make a difference i was hoping the pnc and the car were in different names

 

I'm not sure if the forms TEC are sending you will make a difference as far as i know the only way you can get rid of the bailiffs is if the pcn and/or notice to owner are at a different address to where you live now because you have moved

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I did not receive any forms from the TEC, I'm getting very stressed as not sure what to do as I dont want my car taken. I have rang B&S up today and have made an arrangment with them to pay £43.33 a week, as they need it to be paid over 12weeks. But as this is now set up they will not act on the levy tomorrow. Which is lowered my stress levells alot. but I still as for them to sent me an email to confirm. Now I just have to sort out their extra fees they put on the account.

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This is very confusing. It would appear that the OWNER of the car is your husband and that YOU are the keeper.

 

You should NOT have signed a Notice of Seizure and instead, the bailiff should have asked you to sign a WALKING POSSESSION.

 

Can you provide details of the type of vehicle and how old it is.

 

The fees do not appear to be correct at all and you need to ask WHY they are charging TWO attending to remove fees AND three visit fees!!!

 

The form that TEC have sent you is called an Out of Time Statutory Declaration and IF THIS IS APPLICABLE, needs to be signed by your partner as he is the OWNER. However, he can sign this on the basis that he did not receive a Notice to Owner. If this is the case, then by completing the form all enforcement will be put o hold and the balance cannot enforce the PCN until the decision on whether to accept the Out of Time Application has been addressed. This will normally be approx 6 weeks.

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I have just checked the fees and the visit fees are NOT CORRECT.

 

For a PCN at £110 the fees should be as follows:

 

The statutory fees are 28% of the amount of the PCN to include the initial letter fee of £11.20.

 

Therefore, the starting point is £110.00 plus £11.20 which is £121.20. 1st visit fee is therefore 28% and is £33.93.

To get the 2nd visit fee, you need to add the £110, £11,20 and the £33.93 and apply 28% . The 2nd visit fee is therefore: £43.43.

The same calculation is done for the third final fee and is £55.59

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I'll guarantee that no warrant has been issued. If it has, then the body which should have issued it (the Council) ought to be able to send you a copy instantly. If the Council refers you to the bailiffs for a copy then you be pretty sure that no warrant exists, even if the bailiffs produce one.

 

If the Council, never issued a 'warrant' then anything the bailiffs now suddenly produce must be a fake. That also explains why the bailiff never had one with him when he visited.

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