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    • No change in advice. Get the purchaser to take lots of photographs and if possible send you back the empty box – you will have to pay for that I suppose but you will get it back from EVRi. You may want to send a slight amendment to your letter of claim – but the date stays the same. Get a move on so you can get the claim filed well in advance of the compulsory mediation date which quite frankly will only get in your way especially as it is new and nobody really understands the rules yet
    • Good evening guys many thanks for your posts and advice. Im sorry for the late reply but i fell asleep on the sofa when i got home.  The good and bad news is that the case has been discontinued, the bad news is the claimant did not inform me of this. I wasted fuel and paid for 2 hrs of parking to find this out.  Not that it matters now but the lady in reception told me that the county court was in Gloucester today and not Cheltenham however my letter clearly says Cheltenham. So i'm assuming the county court moves between the 2 courts. I was actually looking forward to getting a judgement in my favour but it was not to be. The woman told me that the claimant should have informed me.  Anyway guys i thank you all times a million for your professional assistance with this one. It looks like they new they would lose and gave up, its appalling that they allowed to waste the court's time as well as mine.  
    • An interesting moderation debate chaps! But something very strange has happened with my claim today. Shortly after I posted the Letter of Claim to P2G I received a text message from them - "Your parcel (P2G-123005161) was delivered at 12.55 to CF5 *** (original buyer's post code) with Evri Drop-off"  I messaged the buyer (who I refunded in full (£265) for the original non-delivery on 27 March) and asked if it had indeed turned up. He confirmed it had been delivered and taken in by his wife, with a photo taken to confirm delivery. But the box I'd so carefully packed the clubs in was, of course, empty, except for the original packing material I'd used, and the buyer's details which I'd also included in the box. I'd used getting on for half a roll of heavy duty black ducktape to seal the box, especially at both ends, and the buyer advised one end had been cut/torn open (likely when the 8 golf clubs were extracted) and then loosely resealed.  Needless to say, no explanation for the 1 month delay in delivery, and Parcel2Go have emailed me this evening to advise they've decided not to approve my claim as 'The parcel started to track'. Grateful for your thoughts on this significant new development. I presume the onus is now upon me to prove the parcel was empty upon delivery - how would you suggest I tackle that? And should I draft and submit a new Letter of Claim to P2G, resetting the 14 day clock?    Many thanks G59 
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It is generally held that debtors have the right to transfer their obligations to a third party, (i.e. a DCA), if they so desire providing that there is provision for this in the original T&C's. It will usually be along the lines of.

 

1/ We may assign our rights and benefits to any other person.

 

2/ You may not assign your rights and benefits to any other person.

 

This effectively means that they can transfer their D.P.A. obligations to a DCA who may then process your data as if they were the original creditor.

 

However.......

 

I would contest that term 1 is unfair as described in the UTCCR Schedule 2 Section 1(p), (giving the seller or supplier the possibility of transferring his rights and obligations under the contract, where this may serve to reduce the guarantees for the consumer, without the latter's agreement)

 

Further, term 2 is unlawful as to the same act section (o), (obliging the consumer to fulfil all his obligations where the seller or supplier does not perform his)

 

Admittedly term 2 may only be true when a DCA has defaulted on a CCA request as there is no reciprocal measure in place for you to register their default of obligation.

 

Consequently, if a DCA is promising to register info on your credit file then ask them for a copy of the notice whereby you gave them permission to process your data, they will undoubtedly refer you to the terms and conditions and bingo.

 

I have recently tied a DCA up in knots with this argument and I'll let you know how it goes.

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