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Hi

 

I posted here a few weeks ago when I was asked to produce a ticket I didn't have due to being told that Police Employees could travel free..

 

Anyway, I travelled again last week with FGW, same starting point etc.

 

Well, at my starting station there were the (dreaded!) RPI employees. So, I see them checking all and sundry and taking names and writing in books with yellow pages and asking people to sign them etc.

 

I buy my ticket with a rail warrant and go to my platform. As I am an investigator I decide to ask a few questions about free travel etc.

 

1). Can Police employees travel free?

a). 1st officer - Let's see your ID - I'd let you travel, 2nd - yep, 3rd - I would, 4th - yes, but the leter of the law states ....

 

2). I was told I could travel a few weeks ago and I got stopped. What do you trhink?

A). No way, who stopped you? did you explain to them what you were told? Who was it?

 

3). I have been told my defence is I was given permisson to travel without a ticket.

A). yes, quite correct but only these police forces have free travel ........you do have a defence though.

 

I agree with what they say and then make note of all of their names along with a statement I write on the train.

 

At my destination I go through the barriers using my ticket but ask a chap on the barrier if I need a ticket to travel being a police employee, I show my ID, he says yep, no problems and opens the barrier. I tell him I will be back later.

 

When I get back (I have a ticket) I ask a different barrier guard if I can travel and show my police staff ID card. He opens the barrier with no questions! I tell him I have a ticket and use this to go through the barriers.

 

I note their names on their badges, no surnames but they are always there.

 

It is interesting to note that it seems that FGW employees don't actually know what their policies are and this is causing 'issues' for law abiding travellers as well as embarassment.

 

I have emailed FGW customer services with this information but I'll ask different TOC employees when I travel again at the end of this week. It will be interesting to see how long my concerns and recommendations take to filter through if at all. I'll keep testing them and reporting these findings to the TOC.

 

I would like to thank all for their advice I received.

 

Kind regards

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I think you'll find that they know the company policy but choose to ignore it (with good intentions).

As the RPIs said, they would let you travel but technically you should buy a ticket.

Frankly im suprised this has'nt been resolved yet, have you heard from the prosecutions dept?

I still go back to my previous point that the policy of police travel on public transport is VERY clear in standing orders & the responsibility was yours to check whether you could travel free.

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Nice of you to take all of the names and probably drop them all in the preverbial!


Views expressed in this forum by me are my own personal opinion and you take it on face value! I make any comments to the best of my knowledge but you take my advice at your own risk.

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Nice of you to take all of the names and probably drop them all in the preverbial!

 

Indeed, I should imagine there will be a crackdown organised soon too.

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No, I won't drop people in it, not in my nature but the chap who took my details and was rude to me was there although I didn't appraoch him. I'll not disclose any names but just flag up the message that there is no continuity.

 

I agree I should've also checked before but I guess when someone tells you something sometimes you take it for granted that they are giving the correct advice. I'll never take that sort of advice again without checking!!

 

I also agree that they do probably know the exact policy but are trying to assist individuals by allowing them to travel for free. Unfortunately I feel unless they all take the same route and they either all let you travel or all do not then there is no continuity, as if I was stopped at the barrier before I could embark on my return I would have had to purchased a ticket to get on the train, unfortunately those trying to be good to me, landed me in it, I don't blame them as they were trying to do a good deed.

 

Unfortunately, the chap who took my details wasn't happy, although I still say that if I was a police officer he would have let me travel whether I was from the Met, BTP or any other force. As his colleague who gave me the advice said, he was probably in a bad mood, maybe at having to deal with others who maybe gave him abuse or were rude to him that day. Who know's why.

 

I'll update again when my investigations are carriedout this week, same route but I;ll question different staff. I'll also report back when FGW customer services reply to me so I can let everyone know what they say.

 

Thanks again for your views and taking the time to reply.

 

Kind regards

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Hi SRPO

 

I have spoken to many colleagues at work and none of them know whether they can travel for free or not. Some people in Reading say they can use FGW buses for free but don't use the train as they have no need.

 

It is not clear but I have reported the incident soIi am waiting for things to be clarified to everyone and probably a rollicking!!

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Hi SRPO

 

I have spoken to many colleagues at work and none of them know whether they can travel for free or not. Some people in Reading say they can use FGW buses for free but don't use the train as they have no need.

 

It is not clear but I have reported the incident soIi am waiting for things to be clarified to everyone and probably a rollicking!!

 

Have a read of your standing orders, its never a good idea to rely on anecdotal evidence.

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In these parts, members of certain forces are allowed to travel free. Officers are also provided with a gate pass to allow them to get through the barriers.

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I think you'll find that they know the company policy but choose to ignore it (with good intentions).

As the RPIs said, they would let you travel but technically you should buy a ticket.

Frankly im suprised this has'nt been resolved yet, have you heard from the prosecutions dept?

I still go back to my previous point that the policy of police travel on public transport is VERY clear in standing orders & the responsibility was yours to check whether you could travel free.

 

Yes, I agree with SRPO here and so far as 'free travel' is concerned, I think that where this has been addressed formally it is abundantly clear that it only applies to serving Police Officers and does not extend to civilian support staff.

 

I have personal knowledge of at least one case where this has been tested to the stage of issuing a summons (not on FGW), but where an administrative settlement was eventually allowed with the issue of a final warning. In that case it appears the original interaction was a little different, but the principle of whether the traveller was wrong, or not was very quickly established.

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There are all sorts of convoluted rules on which forces can go for free, where, when and under what circumstances-it's all rather complicated. The general rule adopted is that any police officer just needs to show their warrant to travel at no financial cost, the other side of the coin is that train crew or any other railway employee will expect any officers to assist should it become necessary.

 

On a personal level you would be welcome on my train anytime, I never know when I might need you or one of your colleagues.

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There are all sorts of convoluted rules on which forces can go for free, where, when and under what circumstances-it's all rather complicated. The general rule adopted is that any police officer just needs to show their warrant to travel at no financial cost, the other side of the coin is that train crew or any other railway employee will expect any officers to assist should it become necessary.

 

On a personal level you would be welcome on my train anytime, I never know when I might need you or one of your colleagues.

 

I don't want to cause any 'ripples' here and I hope that 'Railman' will understand why I say this. I think a slightly better wording would be to say 'the generally adopted attitude taken by revenue staff' is to allow serving officers to show their warrant as an unofficial authority to travel.

 

I think it should be stressed that this should not be described as a 'general rule' because it isn't. There are agreements with the Met and some others, but there is no blanket 'rule'.

 

As an Inspector many years ago, I always adopted the discretionary view that allowed Police Officers to travel without a ticket because I always took the view that one day, I might need their help. I guess the vast majority of RPIs will still do the same today.

 

I think that the thing to remember is that, where there is no formal agreement, a member of rail staff should not be considered to be a 'jobsworth' simply for applying the rules.

 

I agree that I think most staff will welcome the thought that there might be a little support should it be needed, but it cannot and should not be relied upon as a 'given'. A Police Officer who makes himself known to revenue staff is likely to be met with a nod, a welcome and a blind-eye, but just as in other walks of life, we have all come across the odd one who seems to be motivated by a self-important expectation rather than an ability to be gracious.

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One of the problems with 'unwritten rules' is that they often clash with written ones.

 

If a specific group of employees of a particular company get a benefit as a result of their employment, real or perceived, then they may be charged tax for it. Tax authorities assume various benefits, for example, they assume that taxi drivers get tips, and will tax a taxi driver in Tilbury the same as a taxi driver who works in the 'West End'.

 

So a constable, getting free travel, may be liable for tax.

 

Equally, police forces may want to avoid accusations of 'corruption', and may regulate free travel through their standing orders. They may pay a local transport provider a certain agreed amount, or have some other arrangement.

 

There are 'changes' being negotiated between some forces and 'railways', which will change whether Metropolitan and City of London officers are entitled or not, and there will be an endorsement added to warrant cards. I am not fully aware of the details, but 'officers' may wish to check with their own force to determine whether they are 'entitled' or whether it is a 'nod & wink' arrangement. To prevent any personal or disciplinary embarrassment, I recommend that officers speak with their Fed rep rather than their force.

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Just as a side note.

 

I got pinged doing 71mph on a 3 lane duelcarridge way. My crime, having a commercial van. I had no idea that I was only allowed to do 60mph.

 

I was informed by Sussex Police that ignorance is no defence.

 

Surely, you have 'No' defence!!

 

Jogs

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