is this bullying

[suziebear67]

Still no repy to my letter yet .

[suziebear67]

Had reply to letter this morning saying operations manager is investigating but wants a discussion with myself on tue 12th to discuss my letter in greater detail. As i am ff sick not sure what to do any ideas please and thanks

[elpulpo]

Reply by saying that if he needs further particulars to set his questions out in an email and you'll respond. You're not available for a meeting.

[suziebear67]

thanks thats what i was hoping someone would advise lol

[suziebear67]

My gp advised me to go to the meeting to show i m willing to sort the problem out so phoned investigating manager and agreed for him to phone me 2mora instead have another fit note for a month .

[suziebear67]

Statement taken by phone and emailed for me to check so will wait and see what happens now.

[suziebear67]

Hello

Well this is the reply I recieved this morning

You stated in your letter dated 28th March, that you wish to raise a grievance following meeting with A******* on the 11/3/2011, I have completed my investigation, and my finding are below.

 

I have in order of reply, split the issues raised in your letter into the following three points

 

1) That your felt belittled and humiliated, following my investigation I have concluded and agree that the events of that day were handled incorrectly, any discussion regarding individuals performance should be handled by the relevant Cell Leader and/or Manager.

 

2) You also stated that you felt that it was A******’s intension was to single you out, I have found no evidence to suggest this, your statement mentions that A****** addressed the rest of the group, and that the second half of the meeting was spent brainstorming solutions.

 

3) You also Mentioned in the above letter that you felt that you were being victimised for you recent disciplinary appeal, I have found no evidence to suggest this nor any evidence to suggest that A******* is aware of your current disciplinary standing.

 

In summary, I do find that events of that day should have been conducted more appropriately, if matters relating to an individual’s performance are to be discussed (including the Disciplinary Procedures if appropriate), however, I also find that A******’s intensions were not to belittle or humiliate any individual but to focus the team on improving their performance, and how serious the matter at hand is, without the Cell Leader or the relevant Manager possible instigating disciplinary measures.

 

I understand that you are currently off work, therefore I would like you to advise when you feel you may be able to attend a meeting with myself and A****** to openly discuss the matter. The main reason for this meeting is to enable you to explain to A****** how the incident made you feel and A***** to explain what her original intensions were. I Hope that this meeting will allow us to find a way forward on this matter.

 

 

Best Regards,

Any ideas where i go from here

Thanks in advance

[suziebear67]

On the 11th March I was called into the office at around 8:15am by CL remember that the meeting was held up due to a not being present.

A***** started to address the meeting, I’m unsure if she commented on CL being close to throwing in the towel before she addressed the individual on the teams.

She directed he first comment to me “Why do you come here? Because your work is ****, it doesn’t matter where we put you, your work is ****. We all know op number ** is yours, we see it everyday”

A****** then went on to address the other members present;

b: You should know better.

c: Not sure we have trained you properly

d: Your idents are atrocious.

e: some comments, I can’t remember

f g and h was also in the meeting.

A***** went on to say “You will all end up getting the sack if you don’t sort the f**king faults out. We are already recruiting for 20 people to take you jobs”.

I accept that the current quality produced by the team needs to improve.

A****** left the meeting at around 8:35, and the remaining attendees started to go through the faults to brainstorm what we could do.

The meeting ended and I went back to work, I felt upset inside however when I saw a upset this upset me further, I tried to calm myself down.

b came over to me and said “she ripped in to you a bit”.

After this I went to CL and said “I’m going home, I’m ****ed off”

My main issue is how I was spoken to; I believe A****** was particularly harsh with the comments regarding myself, and the comments were unprofessional and inappropriate for an open meeting, and shouldn’t happen

 

This was the statement he took from me regarding my complaint i should have posted this first .

Edited May 10, 2011 by suziebear67

[suziebear67]

hello

I have started a new thread as the other one was probably getting too long this is a statement i gave my employers and shall post the reply underneath i just wonderered if anyone had any thoughts on where i could go next.

 

On the 11th March I was called into the office at around 8:15am by CL remember that the meeting was held up due to a not being present.

A***** started to address the meeting, I’m unsure if she commented on CL being close to throwing in the towel before she addressed the individual on the teams.

She directed he first comment to me “Why do you come here? Because your work is ****, it doesn’t matter where we put you, your work is ****. We all know op number ** is yours, we see it everyday”

A****** then went on to address the other members present;

b: You should know better.

c: Not sure we have trained you properly

d: Your idents are atrocious.

e: some comments, I can’t remember

f g and h was also in the meeting.

A***** went on to say “You will all end up getting the sack if you don’t sort the f**king faults out. We are already recruiting for 20 people to take you jobs”.

I accept that the current quality produced by the team needs to improve.

A****** left the meeting at around 8:35, and the remaining attendees started to go through the faults to brainstorm what we could do.

The meeting ended and I went back to work, I felt upset inside however when I saw a upset this upset me further, I tried to calm myself down.

b came over to me and said “she ripped in to you a bit”.

After this I went to CL and said “I’m going home, I’m ****ed off”

My main issue is how I was spoken to; I believe A****** was particularly harsh with the comments regarding myself, and the comments were unprofessional and inappropriate for an open meeting, and shouldn’t happen

[suziebear67]

Hello

Well this is the reply I recieved this morning

You stated in your letter dated 28th March, that you wish to raise a grievance following meeting with A******* on the 11/3/2011, I have completed my investigation, and my finding are below.

 

I have in order of reply, split the issues raised in your letter into the following three points

 

1) That your felt belittled and humiliated, following my investigation I have concluded and agree that the events of that day were handled incorrectly, any discussion regarding individuals performance should be handled by the relevant Cell Leader and/or Manager.

 

2) You also stated that you felt that it was A******’s intension was to single you out, I have found no evidence to suggest this, your statement mentions that A****** addressed the rest of the group, and that the second half of the meeting was spent brainstorming solutions.

 

3) You also Mentioned in the above letter that you felt that you were being victimised for you recent disciplinary appeal, I have found no evidence to suggest this nor any evidence to suggest that A******* is aware of your current disciplinary standing.

 

In summary, I do find that events of that day should have been conducted more appropriately, if matters relating to an individual’s performance are to be discussed (including the Disciplinary Procedures if appropriate), however, I also find that A******’s intensions were not to belittle or humiliate any individual but to focus the team on improving their performance, and how serious the matter at hand is, without the Cell Leader or the relevant Manager possible instigating disciplinary measures.

 

I understand that you are currently off work, therefore I would like you to advise when you feel you may be able to attend a meeting with myself and A****** to openly discuss the matter. The main reason for this meeting is to enable you to explain to A****** how the incident made you feel and A***** to explain what her original intensions were. I Hope that this meeting will allow us to find a way forward on this matter.

[suziebear67]

hello my employer is after some sort of responce to this grievance has any 1 got any ideas how i can reply

[teaboy2]

Go to the meeting and see what is said, by the way swearing at you and criticizing your work in front of others is victimization and singling you out.

 

Victimisation is a concept in employment law. It refers to situations where people are targeted with abuse, suffer detriment to their employment conditions or are dismissed as a result of bringing a claim for another form of discrimination. If an employee is "victimised" for complaining about another part of work, then a separate and independent claim for such treatment would arise. If an employee has brought a discrimination claim, acted as a witness in someone else's claim or raised issues relating to potential discrimination, any action taken against them because of this will be unlawful.[11]

 

Swearing at you is abuse.

[suziebear67]

thanks teaboy i will arrange a meeting and ask if i can bring some support

[teaboy2]

let us know how it goes

[suziebear67]

will do and thx again

[suziebear67]

hi just got back from meeting the bully said she was sorry and didnt intend to upset me the operations manager said he would look at placing me somewhere else in company and wants me to return and said the bully will not be holding any more quality meetings.

 

I managed to tell bully she was out of order in what she said and my doctor advised me not to return to work so we are not really much further forward.

[teaboy2]

Actually your a long way forward, it seems that it is now just a matter of finding work for you away from the person that bullied you, once they have done that you can return to work by the sounds of it.

 

Keep us update, as the placement of work they offer you will have to be reasonable, i.e. no excessive traveling, no major difference in working hours etc, and a 4 week trial period where you (not them) decide if new placement is reasonable enough. If not they will have to pay you remuneration. and you will likely have a strong case for breach of contract against them.

[suziebear67]

Thx Teaboy the operations manager suggested a new cell thats starting with new production manager who would be new to me and a fresh start and trying part time to start off with .

[teaboy2]

Soons like things are looking up then Suzi

[suziebear67]

well i think i will give it a try when my doc says im fit and thx everyone for ur help xxx

[honeybee13]

Great news, suzie. I hope it pans out for you in the future, but you know where to find us .

 

HB x

[suziebear67]

thx honey bee x

[suziebear67]

Hi Guys

 

Bit of good news for a change got a letter from dwp classing my incident at work as a work related accident.

 

It said I was called into a meeting with managers and one of managers verbally assaulted me resulting in anxiety.

 

Will this help with a pi claim for loss of earnings, I am also due back 1st of Aug on a phased return to work.

 

Would like to say a big thanks for all your help.

 

Sue x

[honeybee13]

Well done, what a result! That should encourage people in similar situations.

 

HB x

[suziebear67]

Yes HB its worth filling the form in i have to go for an atos medical to get any benefit but im not really bothered bout that cos it will just reduce the tax credits amount we get.