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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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My wifes car has been caught doing over 30 mph by a static van witing around a corner on a main road. We are both insured on the car and we are not sure who was driving on the day it was pictured.

 

We wrote off asking for the photograph so that we could admit who it was who was driving. When we received the photo it showed the car but the windscreen was totally black and we could not see who was driving at the time. We sent a few letters back and forward to say that we werent sure and if they had any other photos and then heard nothing until a few months later when we received a letter asking us to attend court. The next we heard we had been tried in our absence and both fined £800 and 6 points each on our license for failing to provide information relating to a traffic offence. We forgot about the court case and it was a few days after we got back off holiday.

 

We have appealed the fine and have to attend crown court on 20th December.

 

Can anybody give me any advice as to how to present my case or if there are any ways i can get this reduced. If we knew who was driving then we would have admitted it straight away and taken the 3 points and fine so we were really shocked to hear of the fine and points for us both. We both already had 3 points each so we are now 3 points away from a ban.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

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We both responded asking for the evidence to be sent to us. We told them that we didnt know who was driving. They asked us for th einformation on who else could have possibly been driving. I gave them my wifes details, my wife gave them my details. They sent us both letters and we both asked for the photo. We have given them all of the evidence they asked for yet they have given us the fine and points for both not supplying the evidence of who was driving.

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Hi,

 

Had exactly the situation as you. Ours was one of the inferred catso's that don't flash.

 

1. You have written and asked for a photo. write plenty of letters as these are essential in court and phone them as well.

2. You write again and explain that you cant identify the driver do they have a better quality picture.

3 . You fill out the notice with both names.

4. You will need proof of what you were doing on the day. (most important) Bank and Credit card statements. and printouts of diary's to prove you have exhausted every possible avenue to discover who was driving.

5. You will not be prosecuted for speeding, but you will done for failing to provide a named driver hence the big points and fine.

 

We were lucky because it was also leased car, so the notification took 6 weeks to get to us!

 

The letters they send are really really scary and you have to make a tuff decision. Is it worth the SIX Points to registered keeper and up to 1,000 pound fine or a possible driving ban if you lose?

 

It was a tuffie for us! As we were both genuinely did not know who was driving.

 

I just read your post again I think you may of have stuffed yourself for not attending the court!

 

We went to court and won. They looked at all the evidence we provided and was the most important bit.

 

I was that worried I did go phone a motordefense ltd solicitor cost me £90.00 for the above information!

 

 

I just read your post again and you may of stuffed yourself by not attending court!

I think unless you have some sort of death in the family or you were both admitted to a metal hospital and could not attend court as day release was not an option!

 

Good Luck you are going to need it

 

Ps. The points and fine were all in paperwork they sent you.

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Your only defence would be that you showed 'diligence' as required by s172 RTA 1988 and that you are therefore not guilty. However I'm not sure how you can appeal just because yo failed to turn up what is the actual Crown Court case dealing with, are you appealing the level of fine or the verdict?

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We are appealing the sentence and the fine. We agree that it was totally our fault to miss the court date but we think that the fine that they have given to us is extremely harsh given that we had complied with all of the letters that they had sent to us and gave them all of the information that they requested.

 

The exact same thing happened a few months later where they changed the speed limit on a dual carriageway that we drive along all the time from 70 to 50 and then put static vans on there everyday. We wrote to them and asked for the photo and it was my wife so she paid the fine and had the points no problem. If the photo is inconclusive and we give them all the evidence that we can how can they impose such a fine and so many points to us both?

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The paper work they sent you would of explained the 6 points and the big fine how could you miss that!

 

They even give a a chance to change the date of the court case encase of any Hols or unavoidable dates!

 

You need good reason for not attending the court case. The fact you were away on holiday will not swing it!

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I know that it is totally our fault that we missed the court case. We totally forgot about it until we got the letter through telling us of the fines. I know that we cannot use the excuse that we were on holiday. Perhaps we thought that we had complied with them enough and put it out of our mind, I dont know. I am asking for any advice that might help me, I feel daft enough by getting the points and fine I do not really need to be told that the letter tells me what I had been done for.

 

Just looking for a little help thats all.

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We are appealing the sentence and the fine. We agree that it was totally our fault to miss the court date but we think that the fine that they have given to us is extremely harsh given that we had complied with all of the letters that they had sent to us and gave them all of the information that they requested.

 

The exact same thing happened a few months later where they changed the speed limit on a dual carriageway that we drive along all the time from 70 to 50 and then put static vans on there everyday. We wrote to them and asked for the photo and it was my wife so she paid the fine and had the points no problem. If the photo is inconclusive and we give them all the evidence that we can how can they impose such a fine and so many points to us both?

 

The points and fine are not for seeding! They are for failing to give the name of the driver!

 

If it was under 40 mph they probably would of offered you speed school and £80.00 fine no points.

 

This will be a mega hard case only option is go and see a specialist motor defense solicitor for advice.

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We have both been done for speeding from static vans and have not been offered any speed school or fines, we know of people who have so im not sure if they pick and choose who they offer it to or not. We have phoned a solicitor who says it will probably cost at least £1,000 for them to represent us and take the case on. We cannot afford the fines nevermind paying a solicitor to look at the case.

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WOW!

 

I do feel for you.

 

You might have to use the holiday and be honest and plead poverty.

 

I think you will struggle to get anything from them.

 

If you have a mobile or outlook make sure you put all your important dates as events so you don't forget them!

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well it seem slike it might be an expensive mistake because if my wife gets banned she loses her job because she works an hours drive away from home. If i get banned then I will not be able to look for a job because i am not currently working. Seems like we have made a major mistake here and wer enot going to be able to get out of it!!

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