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Debt collection harrassment over bad tenant

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When we were working away we let our house through a letting agency who, although they had a "high street presence" did not safeguard our interests as landlords. We were naive, and trusted the firm because they had a shop front and adverts in the local papers.


In short, although we were paying them £50 per month we ended up with no proper tenancy agreement, no inventory or statement of condition, no regular review, and more to the point, no agency agreement.


We had tenants who were "men of straw" and lived like pigs. We found the remains of a Chinese takeaway under the sofa, and it and the sofa were infested with insects. They had a dog (contrary to the tenancy agreement we thought we had) which had used the hallway and stair post as a toilet area.


Fortunately our next-door neighbour had our phone number and turned out to be a true friend.


The agency "dis-instructed themselves" once they knew we were onto them, leaving us to appoint a new reputable letting agency, simply so that we could serve legal notice to quit on the tenants.


The tenants caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to the fabric of the building including the need to replace ceilings and door frames, but we were lucky in that they did agree to leave, albeit after they had well "spent" any deposit we might have used to help cover some of the damages.


However, when we moved back into the wreck of our "home" we continued to receive debt collection letters for well over 5 years after they had vacated. We wrote letters and phoned the various agencies concerned, but all they seemed to do was to sell the debt on to another collection agency, and they took no notice at all when we said that the tenants had moved on. Threats to report them to the Information Commissioner for failure to update their data under the terms of the DPA were simply laughed off.


We have now sold the house in question, but I thought that readers of this forum might be interested to learn of our experiences. We are now NEVER going to let a house again, of course, but we would be interested to know if there was any action we could have taken to stop these debt collectors harassing us, other than what we had already done.

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What a nightmare for you and thank God it's over now. As to whether or not you could have taken other actions one can always take other actions. Without details of letters sent etc.... and whether you actually did complain to official bodies it is difficult to say. The main thing is they're out and you have your house back, albeit by learning a very costly lesson.


Hopefully this thread may just stop someone else making the same mistake, so thanks for posting it.

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Not a home owner, but I have rented places with a pedigree of "dodgy" tenants doing a runner.


My solution was simple. Lots of extremely unpleasant and arrogant emails to the debt collectors sending letters, and threats to charge them admin fees for dealing with it.


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