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A tougher-than-expected squeeze on the unemployed is to be announced today as the jobless face the threat of losing all benefits for as long as three years if they refuse community work or the offer of a job, or fail to apply for a job if advised to do so.

 

In the most severe welfare sanctions ever imposed by a British government, unemployed people will lose benefits for three months if they fail to take up one of the options for the first time, six months if they refuse an offer twice, and three years if they refuse an offer three times.

 

Downing Street sources said the new "claimant contract" will come into force as soon as legislation is passed, and may not wait for the introduction of a streamlined universal credit system in 2013-14.

 

Full story here

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/11/welfare-unemployment-benefits-tougher-rules?

 

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Proof will be in whether it works, surely. I expect there will be an initial success when the scroungers who are working in the black economy and claiming at the same time will be forced into declaring their true position or having to say they no longer desire to rip the taxpayer off.

 

I expect that the national minimum wage will be the next casuality, or at least the will be at some point. How can this economy compete with those in Asia when their workers work hard for a pittance?

 

Labour incompetence coming home to roost and others, yet again, having to sort it out.

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Coalition policies have nothing to do with debts or deficits. They are pure tory ideology enabled by a liberal demagogue. This current lie about their being a debt is mana from heaven for the tories who have long sought to destroy the state and privatise everything, no matter the social or human cost. The deficit could be paid off overnight if the tax laws that allowed the likes of phillip green, an adviser to Cameron, to avoid £285 million in tax. Instead we get the disgusting Osbourne allowing Vodaphone to get off paying 6bn in tax. Deficit? what deficit.

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I don't live anywhere near London, nor do I condone violence, but I'm not going to shed tears over damage to tory hq when there is greater damage being done by this disgusting coalition. Are you in favour of the rich keeping the money for themselves? Do you want things to change for the better or have you been conditioned by the media and the state to be another turkey voting for christmas?

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I work near Waterloo and we saw a group of students heading that way yesterday, if they think they can change the country they had better get the political system changed....

 

The 'benefit culture' exists partially fuelled by the popular press to divert attention away from the real issues - I for one have noticed an increease in 'street people' in several parts of London over the last few weeks.

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Perhaps Wishface would like to share their job and wages with the less fortunate! If imposed it could be interesting to see how they get around the minimum wage act, jobseekers legislation which states that you should not be employed doing anything that may interfere with your job seeking and also finally Human Rights. I agree with getting the scroungers off the streets but I think they will lose on this one beofe they even kick off. I can see a reaction from housing and council tax when someone says sorry I can't pay I have lost my benefits! Sory i can't pay for my prescription becasue I lost my benefits. Sorry I can't get a job because I am now sick from working outside. Sorry I can't get a job because there are NO jobs in my field of expertise.

Prior to going on pension, I tried for 18 months to get a clerical job, but all I got was a temporary 3 month job although I am well educated with a degree, hard working with proven history and was prepared to take on the lowest clerical job just so that I would have an income. Unfortunately age was against me.

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Coalition policies have nothing to do with debts or deficits. They are pure tory ideology enabled by a liberal demagogue. This current lie about their being a debt is mana from heaven for the tories who have long sought to destroy the state and privatise everything, no matter the social or human cost. The deficit could be paid off overnight if the tax laws that allowed the likes of phillip green, an adviser to Cameron, to avoid £285 million in tax. Instead we get the disgusting Osbourne allowing Vodaphone to get off paying 6bn in tax. Deficit? what deficit.

 

Wishface, it might be worth doing the maths. Philip Green's and Vodaphone's money if recouped is not going to reverse the deficit of trillions. Gordon Brown et al bailed out the banks with our money and before that splurged it on who knows what, because I never noticed much of a difference. Even before the election it was obvious to economists and commentators that there was an enormous hole in the finances and now we are all paying for it.

 

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Oh I do hope that the OP and Wishface watched the Channel 4 programme Britain's Trillion Pound Horror Story tonight and saw how a low tax economy generated growth and released the energies of the individual for the benefit of all.

 

Having seen that I also hope that the coalition have a plan to half the money spent on the state and lower taxes asap so Great Britain can again be "great". Wishface the rich don't "keep the money themselves" they plough money back into businesses to employ people. If you had the that spirit you wouldn't be wanting to survive on state handouts (and that includes state funded non jobs) but start a business.

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Papa I watched that and it was good in places but very alarmist/subjective.

 

Remember it took the indiscriminate killer that was the Black Death to introduce wages & social mobility to this country. It killed both rich & poor alike, which had the effect of massively constricting the supply of labour (it now had mobility and could command a wage) and opening up the hitherto closed world of landownership and there for wealth. If it hadn't tipped the balance us common folk would still be living a life of poverty, servitude and bondage.

 

Now if tax was lowered I agree that it would promote jobs in the way described but.... and this is a big but.... unless tax avoidance etc is sorted out at the top end of the scale the extra wealth generated will always be syphoned off to our detriment even though we are the ones who create it.

 

I think the myth of altruism in the rich is vastly over stated. For Every Bill Gates & Steve Jobs with their foundations for the poor (are we reinventing the 18th Century here?) there are 99 others quite happy to keep it all for themselves.

 

The true problem in this country is that the real value of wages/benefits have decreased whilst the basics we need to survive food/housing have risen dramatically. In effect and unless it is addressed we are basically throwing away 4 centuries of social reform and regressing ever more quickly into a return to a life of servitude and bondage for the masses.

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