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    • If you are flying away tomorrow (or rather this) morning I'd just forget about complaining to the police now.  As BF said earlier it's probably just a waste of your time anyway so I wouldn't worry about it.  Forget it for now.  Have a safe flight and concentrate on your other thread against Aviva.
    • I'm afraid you won't get a complaint drafted before tomorrow morning - and I think most others here think it would be a waste of time anyway and that the police decision won't change.  I would ask for a review and make a complaint on principle, but I suspect you are better off concentrating your effort on your other thread and direct complaint against Aviva.   Unless you are out of the country for an extended period I'd wait until your return before considering futrther whwther to complain about the police.   [ By the way, just so that you don't mislead yourself as it's a mistake many people make, ALL agreements are "verbal" in that they are composed of words.  Some agreements are in writing and others are oral, spoken or vocal.  The law recognises oral or spoken agreements just as much as ones that are written down.  The only practical difference is that oral agreements can be difficult to prove in a dispute]
    • Just to add there is a scheme called the Victim's Right to Review.  It basically applies to decisions made by the CPS not to go ahead with a prosecution.  It doesn't apply to decisions made by local police forces, but it does say:   19.  Decisions that are not eligible for VRR include: ... iii where the police or other investigator exercises their independent discretion not to investigate or not to investigate a case further (whether in consultation with the CPS or not) and the CPS have not been requested / have been unable to make a final decision to charge. Requests for review of such decisions should instead be addressed to the relevant police force/other investigator; [My bold] Victims' Right to Review Scheme | The Crown Prosecution Service WWW.CPS.GOV.UK   I'm not familiar with the scheme so can't advise - but other posters here may know about it or have experience of it.  You need to read the above link but note that it talks about things that seem to fit your situation.   eg a victim is defined as ‘a person who has made an allegation that they have suffered harm, including physical, mental or emotional harm or economic loss which was directly caused by criminal conduct’.   If you have not already requested that the police review their decision not to pass the case onto the CPS, then I would do so.  If you are not happy with the outcome of that, complain.   I can't advise you definitely to go ahead and ask for a review or complain, but if I were in your situation that is what I would do.  But I tend to agree with BankFodder that you'll get nowhere and, if you are sick and tired of all this and just want it to go away, then just drop the police.  However, if you don't try...   [Apologies for the italic typeface/font - it's the above link causing it.  The italics should have stopped at the end of the third para above ending ' ... criminal conduct'.  I can't change it.  Very annoying]
    • @Manxman in exile I eloped to get with my husband si my husband and siblings never sat together in the same room .   Hes claiming a verbal agreement was made but a verbal agreement doesn't hold any water in the eyes of the law..no agreement was made I was in Leeds with my toddler.    He has made use of the policy , had the luxury of the insurance and reversed the money back and now Aviva are coming after me.   You've summed it up well is there anyone in the group that can help me draft the complaint to the police as I'm flying out first thing tomorrow and my head is all over the place.   My husband me Mr z , my late father and eldest brother were at this meeting supposedly when the verbal agreement was made but yet the officer took a statement off the eldest brother and didn't take it off the husband and based the final decision on the eldest brothers statement and Mr Z and all other evidence which is in written form has been completely dismissed    I'm fighting it all alone coming from an Asian background I am getting taunts and salt is bring rubbed on my wounds its not been a pleasant experience yo say the least trying to prove my innocence and having to listen to the b******* being spouted out by everyone whilst Mr Z is walking away not guilty 
    • I would complain to the police - even if I thought it would go nowhere.  I can't see that you have anything to lose.   I can't tell you the grounds of your complaint because I don't know the details of everything that has happened (you know better than I do)  and because I've found much of the story too difficult to follow.     But - based on everything you have told us - it seems to me that your brother has clearly committed fraud by obtaining the benefit of an insurance policy by falsely misrepresenting that he was opening the policy on your behalf and also by falsely misrepresenting himself - or a third party - as being your husband.  If your brother could not have taken out that policy without making those misrepresentations, then he has committed fraud.  It doesn't matter whether the victim was Aviva or you  and it doesn't matter if the victim realises they've been defrauded or not - the police should investigate it properly.  In this case you are the ultimate victim of the fraud because Aviva are saying that you owe them for the premiums on the policy your brother fraudulently took out, so whether Aviva consider they were the victims of fraud or not is irrelevant - they don't care because you end up as the fall guy.  Point out that this may have ended in a civil dispute over a debt between you and Aviva, but that that debt directly arises as a result of your brother's fraud in claiming to be acting on your behalf and by impersonating your brother.   One of the reasons the police seem to have dropped this case (and this needs to be one of your main grounds of complaint I think) is that they have accepted without question your brother's statement that your husband was somehow involved or in some way agreed to your brother taking this policy out in your name, and the police have simply and uncritically accepted your brother's word on that without ever speaking to your husband, who would vigourously deny it.    (I can't make any better suggestion than that because, to be honest, I don't follow what has happened.  If you never authorised your brother to open this insurance policy at all then I don't understand why the police would place any importance at all on your husband being present at a meeting with your brother.  What did your husband's presence have to do with the insurance policy?  Even if he had been at such meeting (which you say he denies) then how could he authorise anything on your behalf?  None of it makes any sense to me and I can't see why the police would think it did.)   Challenge the police to explain to you why they believe there is insufficient evidence to pass this on to the CPS   I would follow the published complaints procedure of the police force in question and I would also send a copy to your local Police and Crime Commissioner.   I think the main problem here is that (despite what the nice woman PC may have suggested to you) the police have never considered you to be the victim.  You need to demonstrate to them via your complaint that you are the victim here.   One other question: is your husband and are your family supporting you through this, or are you going it alone?
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I took out a 24 month contract on Orange at the start of April 2010, got the phone and realised signal wasn't the best, only had 3 bars outside and 1 bar in, so phoned Orange the advisor told me best thing to do would be cancel the contract and put me through to returns, I had also arranged to port my number over from O2 and he said he would cancel that, so the returns guy arranged to have a returns bag shipped out.

 

2 days my number ported over after the guy saying he would cancel it, So I phoned up and he told me I need to phone O2, I phoned O2 who told me I need to phone Orange and I went back and forward and just decided to give up, I'd just get a new number.

 

A month later still no bag received, I phoned up and apparently it was never done:-x and they wouldn't let me cancel, so all I could do was put up with the rubbish signal.

 

In the last month I have gone from having poor signal to non existent and either home or work, I have tried several handsets and nothing, I phoned Orange just today and he checked the transmitter and told me nope all is fine however I am in a blackspot and shouldn't really get any signal, I asked what can I do, he tells me nothing, only option is to buy a Blackberry with UTM technology and make calls over internet.

 

Where do I stand here exactly? This isn't good enough and Orange do not care, I had a similar issue when Apple released an update that rendered my 3G useless, simply didn't care.

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Unfortunately, you are well outside the 'rejection window' to complain and seek cancellation. The fact they were going to send you a bag is fine in principle, but if it didn;t arrive it remained your responsibilkity to get the handset back in good time. 6 months on, this is no longer an option. As for swapping to a a UTM phone, this is just rubbing salt on the wounds, I wouldn't bother.

 

In your situation all you can really do it WRITE, and see if they will reconsider bearing in mind the earlier exchange of your problem's and their failure to resolve. There is nothing you can do to get them to enforce a termination or cancellation, but they may - just - agree that there have been failings, but there's no magic wand!

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Unfortunately, you are well outside the 'rejection window' to complain and seek cancellation. The fact they were going to send you a bag is fine in principle, but if it didn;t arrive it remained your responsibilkity to get the handset back in good time. 6 months on, this is no longer an option. As for swapping to a a UTM phone, this is just rubbing salt on the wounds, I wouldn't bother.

 

In your situation all you can really do it WRITE, and see if they will reconsider bearing in mind the earlier exchange of your problem's and their failure to resolve. There is nothing you can do to get them to enforce a termination or cancellation, but they may - just - agree that there have been failings, but there's no magic wand!

 

Wouldn't of mattered about the bag anyway as they never put the return through,

 

I have posted this on 3 boards and this is the first reply I have got, no one seems to know what to do including Orange who rather than try and resolve the issue see a chance to try and sell you something else.

 

I just can't see how this can be legal to be honest, you buy an item that stops working 6 months down the line and Orange say sod you basically, so if I want to use my phone I will have to move home and change job?

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Nothing to do with legality, I'm afraid. Your service contract stipulates their responsibilities when there is no service issues, and the bottom line remains, a wireless network cannot be held responsible for coverage issues as itvhas no direct control of them. Your house, for example couture be lead lined and block all signals. This is why it is imperative you assess suitability in the week or so after you get it.

 

The best advice is never, ever, sign up to a long term binding contract, because there is no earthly reason why you should do so, as the downsides to you are always considerable.

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Hi dj

 

It might be an idea to E-mail Tom Alexander, Chief Executive, tell him whats happened and how you feel Orange have let you down, then explain what you want Orange to do about it. Make sure you mark it Complaint [email protected]

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What would also be a good idea is to call their customer services and ask to opt in to sharing T-mobile signal. They can set it up on their end and if your area has signal from T-mobile then you'll have signal, problem solved.

 

(if there's no T-mobile coverage in your area then this suggestion is no good, but worth looking into at least)

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True - however you can do this yourself when you are n standard Orange coverage. *You'll receive a sequence of text alrerts to confirm your upgrading to accept the new signal, you also need to restart your phone. Once you acquire a T Mobile signal for the first time, O will text you to confirm you've successfully 'roamed'. It is worth remembering this only works for 2.5G, there is no link to a 3G signal from both networks yet.

 

*Check the Orange website for instructions on the code to dial to initiate the process.

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Hi dj

 

It might be an idea to E-mail Tom Alexander, Chief Executive, tell him whats happened and how you feel Orange have let you down, then explain what you want Orange to do about it. Make sure you mark it Complaint [email protected]

 

Thanks, thats the email address I was after, as they don't seem to reply to the rest.

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Well we have somewhat of a result.

 

I emailed the CEO and have just got the following,

 

Thank you for your recent contact regarding the issues you have experienced

with your Orange subscription.

 

I have investigated the areas you refer to in your letter and have discovered

coverage is quite poor and I can also see there was a note made by an

operator stating you were looking at sending the phone back within the seven

day cool off period.

 

If you would like to go ahead with this please call me on 08708700862 between

09:30 and 17:30 and I will be happy to discuss this matter.

 

I look forward to hearing from you soon

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

I don't know what way this will work now as I traded in the iPhone after Apple cocked it up and wouldn't exchange it, I now have a HTC Desire phone which is more expensive than my original iphone

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Almost a result. But looks like you might be stuck if you don't have the equipment to send back to them. I can't see them accepting any other equipment back to cancel the contract apart from the original phone that was supplied by them.

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Right well I phoned up, I explained the situation, they saw all the issues with the iphone and asked what I was using now, I told them they said did I get the HTC to replace the iphone I said yes, they said right well they are forwarding it on to the termination department and someone will phone me tomorrow, so I don't know what to make of that?

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  • 10 months later...

Went into the Folkestone Orange store on 20/09/2011 explained that i could not get a signal where ii was moving to which is in Hythe a neighbouring town (not exactly in the middle of nowhere) I asked that if there is no service could I come out of the contract? The member of staff I spoke to said "its not orange's fault you've decided to move house." I said that I would cancel the DD at the bank, he then said that I would be listed with a credit reference agency if I do this. Think that this is a disgusting way to treat and speak to customers i was very shocked.

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Bluntly put but pretty much hit the nail on the head. Unless you used to have signal in that part of Hythe and Orange have removed a mast, then you'd be able to complain.

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Had perfect signal when I lived at the same address which was just over a year ago. Also when I go on their coverage checker and type in the postcode it states that coverage is excellent !! Luckily I have a land line at my new address didn't think i would still need to rely on one in 2011 ! Going to make an official complaint in writing.

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OK well then I think you have cause to complain. I believe this is an issue as they're merging with T-Mobile , they are turning off some cells. If they've turned off the one that you used to be connected to, then I believe they should either put your contract on hold until they fix this, or cancel it completely.

 

Try a nice polite email to the CEO [email protected]

Tell him you used to have good coverage here a year ago, and that was your basis for staying with Orange. Throw in a little praise "I've been a happy customer for xx years" and "I hope coverage can be restored to my address, as Orange is by far my favorite mobile supplier". see how they reply.

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