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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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Same old story,Agent came to my door 22nd october said at first he was a court bailif when asked to prove who he was said he had left ID at office, he had a handfull of paperwok but was reluctant to show me anything,so he was sent away as the car was not here at the time,(it has been parked up now and ive forgoten were i left it ,after reading posts on here ) He left a card to call the agents office and have not as yet, i bought the car june and have never had any dealings with log book loans,as anyone any ideas what i can do to keep my car?

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Welcome to the site.

So who is the car from ?

Can you pm me the number from the card he left ?

Have a happy and prosperous 2013 by avoiiding Payday loans. If you are sent a private message directing you for advice or support with your issues to another website,this is your choice.Before you decide,consider the users here who have already offered help and support.

Advice offered by Martin3030 is not supported by any legal training or qualification.Members are advised to use the services of fully insured legal professionals when needed.

 

 

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private sale, got all the details,reciept. many thanks

 

 

Hi. stressedlady. good idea to hide your car. just remember the repo **** will try to follow you. so keep a good eye out. can you let us know what area you bought the car from. and how long have you had it for.

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Ok thanks.

Will look at something tomorrow.

 

 

oops I mean today...is that the time ????:jaw:

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to cctv, had the car june, live in the southwest, many thanks,

 

 

Hi stressedlady. the next step is to get a copy of the bill of sale. but with you not being the loan owner you will not have the details to apply to the supreme court. with being a 3rd party you will have no details at all. for around £100 you can have a solicitor send letters. 1 to the repo company asking to leave you alone and another to lbl requesting there interest in your car along with a copy of the bill of sale.

why i say to use a solicitor is for two good reasons. lbl must reply to your solicitors request. and it will also stop lbl from reporting the car as stolen. which will be lbl next step if the repo guys cant get your car. so when the police call you just direct them to your solicitor. the next step now is for us to see your bill of sale for the car.

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Welcome to the CAG Stressed lady. You are in excellent hands.

 

CCTV has personal experience as a 3rd Party victim himself. He will be able to assist you directly as he has for others too, who were in the same position as you.

 

He personally had the Bill Of Sale assigned to his vehicle thrown out at Chester Court in the spring. see http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?258303-won-won&p=2917497&highlight=#post2917497

 

I am positive that with his 3rd party personal experience and with the help of other Caggers, you will be able to join the ranks of those that have got one over these log book loan companies, who look to exploit innocent 3rd parties using archaic legal instruments.

 

Don't forget to keep the forum updated on how you are progressing-As and when it is safe to do so. They do trawl the forums.

 

Good Luck

 

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Thank you all i have started to get the process in motion,by the way did cctv mean the BOS fo the car,with lbl or my bill of sale from whom i bought it of, many thanks,

 

It is my understanding that CCTV is referring to obtaining the Bill of Sale from Log Book Loans, as it is that Bill Of Sale, that their recovery agents are looking to rely upon, to seize property, (the vehicle) that they are claiming is the property of their client.

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Hi Stressed

 

Put everything in writing

 

email:

 

[email protected]

 

[email protected]

 

Requesting the BoS

 

There are many things that can be wrong with their paperwork that invalidates it.

 

As a third party victim the Loan Agreement cannot be used against you, only the BoS.

 

If BoS invalid, your OK.

 

 

 

Good luck. Check out my problems. It will cover what to look for.

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Ah...JolyGreenGiant,

 

Another victor over the dreaded LBL stressedlady, whose tale is worth reading, and another example of a Cagger who was able to convince LBL to drop their unlawful chase of a Bill Of Sale against an innocent party.

 

Thankfully, LBL didn't contest the legal case against them in the end, that JGG was able to mount.

 

He is yet another shining example that hope is out there for all those who have been unlawfully hounded by the firm that likes to use archaic legal instruments to unlawfully seize the property of the innocent!

His story can be found here

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?172075-Log-Book-Loans-want-to-take-my-car.-I-dont-owe-then-anything.

 

Out of interest, does anyone know the backgrounds of April Nardulli, Robert Gale or Christopher De Bie? I ask as none appear to be qualified Solicitors but do claim to have some legal training? Legal Exec or Paralegal perhaps?

 

Anyway, none of them appear on the Web to have had any past when one does a search, they just seem to have suddenly appeared? Very Twilight Zone.

 

I presume that these are not their real names? A wise move if that is indeed the case?

 

It does beggar the question, who in their right mind, (if they do possess, bonafide legal qualifications),would own up to be associated with a company that is minded to have it's Consumer Credit Licence shortly revoked, due to its unsavoury seizure practices?

 

Just thought I would ask?

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thank you all, it gives me alot of hope,

 

That's what a forum should offer. Hope, support and practical advice. Like all forums, you should treat all advice initially with caution unless independently evidenced or is from a member whose advice has an audit that stands up under scrutiny. I only say this as it is a public forum, open to all. Just my penny's worth

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