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Are these PCNS legal - they don't say "date of contravention"

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Hi Gang


Well I appealed the NTO I eventually received for an alleged parking offense that I was never served the PCN with, in 2007. Appeal was denied by LBH&F Parking services. I did mention that their PCNs were not legally enforceable because the wording was wrong - they said "I am satisfied that the PCNs are correct and are legally enforceable"


However, There are a few old PCNs which I do still have, which were served, and which I paid. My question is, are these PCNs legally enforceable, given that they do not contain the "date of contravention" wording on them at all?


And if not, would I be able to appeal those which I still have in my records here and have paid back in 2007, would I be able to get them refunded?


Here is the front & back image of 1 of them. The VRM and the PCN number have been redacted by me (and the streetname)


thanks for looking

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How much would it cost to challenge and get refunded (ex-post) these PCNs? I paid LBH&F 5 or 6 of them in 2007, half of them at £50 and half at £100, so it's a tidy sum already that they "taxed" me.

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I think you'll end up disappointed. You can try, but I really don't think you will get anywhere.


The problem you have, as I see it is this: Your are concerned that the PCNs are not compliant and may therefore not be enforced. Yet you paid them, and there are no longer debts outstanding. Thus, the issue of whether they can be legally enforced is moot. They don't need to enforce them - they are all paid up.


I don't believe (others may know better) that there is ever a right to a refund, in situations where you want the refund in order to contest the charge. If I am correct, it is a non-starter - unless some good samaritan in the Council sympathises with you and decides to throw you a deal out of the kindness of their heart. (Unlikely.)

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Thanks all for your advice and feedback.

The half-dozen PCNs, which I paid in 2007,

If I'm honest they were all for genuine P&D overstays, hence why I paid them without contest at the time.

I'm concluding that to contest them now on a technicality would be a long-shot, so I'm going to leave it,

since it would probably be risky, costly, time-consuming and may well have no payoff.

But I won't be so quick to pay PCNs in the future, I'll check them first!

Thank you

-- Student-T

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