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i Ended up without any sleep at all last night but i so wanted to make this a day that i could home and say "yes i done it" well i went , the drive up i layed down with a pillow in the back (as my partner died in accident dont like in the car) when we got there my partner went in and said i was there , by this time i was already panicking , as soon as i seen that the medical center was in the middle of the town !! that was it as i was getting out of the car (for people who have what i have u know the feeling) that creeping dizziness and feeling sick (anxiety at its worst) ,

well to cut it short as soon as i seen the office and i could see there were 2 people there i just stood my the doorway (i had a baseball cap on to avoid me getting further paranoya), we were only there 5mins and my temper started to go (its like another person inside of you rears its ugly head and the other half of me gets angry cos of the feeling of powerless i have over it),and its funny because you hope there wont be any "scenes or drama" yet in the end its you that creates them !!

Im so embarrassed

The ladies at the desk come over (by this time my husband said i was picking at the wall cos i felt i was losing it the panic attack getting stronger and me being weaker) i was now in the hallway and my husband said hed never seen 2 women panic like they did cos they went to come over to comfort me and i firmly started saying to my husband "IM GOING HOME NOW"

i feel so awful cos these 2 ladies were lovelly and there i go freaking them out ,

One of the ladies told my husband "look you take her home ill put on the system that she have a home visit"

now in all fairness i would NEVER have said that would have happened , i really thought well my money defo stopped ,

i cried all the way home because i wanted to be travelling home with that warm feeling as in proud cos yes i had done something i said i couldnt and i failed :(

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My heart goes out to you i understand what you have put yourself through.

But see a positive you actually got in the car and arrived at the medical centre so you have actually achieved something.Be proud of that if you can.

Best Wishes

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My heart goes out to you i understand what you have put yourself through.

But see a positive you actually got in the car and arrived at the medical centre so you have actually achieved something.Be proud of that if you can.

Best Wishes

 

I agree you got there be proud of that, they can now sort you a home visit. There are enough people like us out there for them to have no excuse to understand the need for home visits when ill with anxiety in such a way xxxx

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i cried all the way home because i wanted to be travelling home with that warm feeling as in proud cos yes i had done something i said i couldnt and i failed :(

 

Sweetheart,

 

Doesn't sound like you failed to me! You left the house, you went in a car, you walked to the building, you stood in the doorway. They've agreed to a home visit.

 

I think you did really, really well today............for goodness sake.......you faced so many fears. Round of applause for that woman :)

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Oh banksarggg, as stated by catkin, loop and tina above, you did many things today that you should be proud of!

 

Now put your feet up and get some sleep as you must be shattered. If there is anything I can do to help you prepare for the home visit, you just have to ask. I am new to this site so am unsure how you go about emailing me. I do have some experience of these visits and other experience which might be of assistance to you xx

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ive got my new appointment and its tomorrow although worried but i intend on seeing my doctor for strong anti anxiety pills before i go , im so determined to do it , ive had a LOT of grief and im losing more people through the way i am and i cant take it anymore and i just dont have the fight in me to do the home visit thing

i fully intend (i pray i do go through with it) im going to wait in my car and NOT in the doorway and have my partner go inside and he can let me know when im being called cos i am NOT waiting in there for my anxiety to sky rocket , if i make it in the doctors room my husband will be asking if he specialises in mental health and anxiety etc (been told to ask) and also if they wouldnt mind if i taped the conversation and as my husband said he will say it like this :

 

"is it ok to tape the conversation as i was advised to ask as there have been many complaints about things being put differently and i dont want my partner to go through all this agian etc"

 

in other words dont even think about doing it , and i hope the report is fair

 

a HUGE thank you EVERYONE u guys on here are such an asset to have in anyones life

THANK YOU

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Good for you going through with this, I'm proud of you. Please let us know however it goes for you. I'll be sitting here worrying.

 

Fingers crossed, HB x


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Hi

 

Best of luck for your medical.

Well done for seeing it through.

With regard to recording the medical you are supposed to ask their permission in writing.They would then insist on proper recording equipment like they use in the police and a sound engineer.

I know of people who have recorded it but haven't told the doctor that they are.

If your husband is going in with you he can take notes for you.

Best wishes.

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With regard to recording the medical you are supposed to ask their permission in writing.They would then insist on proper recording equipment like they use in the police and a sound engineer.

I know of people who have recorded it but haven't told the doctor that they are.

If your husband is going in with you he can take notes for you.

Best wishes.

 

Lies I tell you lies :whoo:

 

Just do it & don't tell them. The ATOS policy on recording of medicals is just that their policy and has no basis in law.

 

The only argument on covertly recorded medicals is what you can legally do with the recording afterwards and whether it will be accepted as evidence by a tribunal.

 

There's a 5 page thread in the NHS section on recording medicals if you need more info.

 

Since you will be taking notes I'd suggest transcribing the recording and submitting that if needed.

 

Remember if you ask to record on the day the most likely outcome will be for them to stop the assessment there and then. With all the problems that will bring.

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I agree with speedfreek, don't tell them. Someone else on this thread had their 'medical' stopped and I forget where it went from there, but it was lengthy. Certainly for an Employment tribunal, you can use a transcript as evidence, just not the recording itself.

 

I've also followed the NHS thread, it's by nolegion. Interesting reading.

 

Good luck and please let us know how it goes.

 

HB


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Hi

 

Best of luck for your medical.

Well done for seeing it through.

With regard to recording the medical you are supposed to ask their permission in writing.They would then insist on proper recording equipment like they use in the police and a sound engineer.

I know of people who have recorded it but haven't told the doctor that they are.

If your husband is going in with you he can take notes for you.

Best wishes.

 

Just a quickie that may help others, you mention about taking somebody into the medical with you. When I had my medical with ATOS, I asked if it was possible if my wife could come in with me. I was told that it wasn't necessary and may in fact be a disrupting influence to have her in there. So she stayed in the waiting room.

I felt that they were almost insisting that she didn't come in.

Why is it so important for you to mention it?

By the way I failed(Jan2010)and received 0 points. Have appealed but have cancelled the appeal because it is taking too long to be heard (April 2011). I am hoping to put in a new claim, but that is another story.

Thanks

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Just a quickie that may help others, you mention about taking somebody into the medical with you. When I had my medical with ATOS, I asked if it was possible if my wife could come in with me. I was told that it wasn't necessary and may in fact be a disrupting influence to have her in there. So she stayed in the waiting room.

I felt that they were almost insisting that she didn't come in.

Why is it so important for you to mention it?

By the way I failed(Jan2010)and received 0 points. Have appealed but have cancelled the appeal because it is taking too long to be heard (April 2011). I am hoping to put in a new claim, but that is another story.

Thanks

 

More lies :???: (Not having a go GRUMPYOLEMAN just putting things right :madgrin: )

 

There is nothing legally stopping you having someone there :whoo:

 

The only reason why they might complain is if something isn't right with them i.e. it's a shonky medical with someone actively there to fail you to improve their stats to meet failure targets.

 

You have a right to be there with them no guff nothing it is your right! :lol:

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I am sorry to hear of your experience.

As speedfreaK says you are allowed somebody in with you.My mum came in with me and ended up answering most of the questions as i was in no state to.

The doctor even said don't worry mum can answer for you as it is all too much for you.

I was lucky i had a very understanding doctor.

Best wishes.

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well im so happy to say i did it :)

well half of it .......the ladies on the front desk were extremly helpful (id written a note to them and sent it to the office after my last visit to apoligise about my behavoir)

They let my hubby wait in the waiting room he then came and got me out of the car and i went straight into see the doctor (she also told my husband before he got me "ive managed to get her to see the other doctor" whatever that meant)but as my husband said "she made sure u seen a tidy doctor" and he was lovelly , i did all these exercises (in my mind) of putting focus on other things to stop me from putting emphasis on my anxiety plus i had a new anxiety pills off my doctor to go as he was more than willing to do a note to request a home visit but it was something i wanted to do ,

and i was ok (still had heart pounding etc) but half way through i looked at my husband and he knew i jumped up and said "i HAVE to go" he didnt make no fuss (hes hardly asked anything)

in fact he went straight to the door and said to my husband "she wants to go does she dont worry its ok" (i think the receptionsits and my behavoir last time they must have discussed my last visit because you could swear this old man (doctor) was scared of me (which i was and am upset at because im ashamed of my behavoir last time)

still though i dont know wether they will fail me for not sitting through it all (my hubby taped it on his mobile phone just to see if the doctor did say anything different as ive read a lot of posts saying they do)

how long does it take to find out if you have passed or failed ?

and again thanks everyone you have been great

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thats weird because the doctor i seen he would NOT let my husband out of the room i asked him to leave and the doctor said for him to stay he more or less asked him the questions

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May I please settle the question re. WCA and a witness, adviser or carer being present.

In parliament this question was raised and the response was that the Law says YES, if ATOSh say otherwise, then go through the procedure of firstly complaining to ATOS, see here how to do it and keep evidence, then you can have a go at the DWP after exhausting the set procedure - if you're still alive!


I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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:wave:

 

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good info but quiet heavy to read and digest.

 

To banksarggg :grouphug: from fellow poster's

 

 

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Well done banksarggg:whoo:

I heard in 3 weeks that i had passed.

Best wishes

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hi

sorry everyone another problem with esa !!

my husband and i havent lived together in 2 years even though hes here daily , we were and are not a couple , we get on great and know each other well , so after we had a talk we realised it was better if he moved in ,

so i told HB and the DWP (hes been on incapacity for many ,many years) well i recieved a letter saying "esa has suspended due to a change in your circumstances please fill in the form etc etc"

which i did ,

then a letter off the HB saying they were no longer paying rent because of " change in your circumstances please fill in the form etc etc" i filled them in

on the day of my medical (while those who have heard what it is like) i was kept on the phone for over an hour (making me late for my medical) i told her i had a medical and was already stressed out , this was for a crisis loan because my money was due that day and they said they couldnt pay me till they,d had the forms etc

Now on the phone this lady was awful after i said i was down as agraphobic she said "well because you have had a crisis loan twice already in the last year you might need to go to your local office for an interview" i said "the only reason i have had to have one is because the DWP keep stopping my money on the due date"

i also said to her straight "why did you just say that AFTER me saying i was "Agrophobic" she went on to ridicule me more by saying "do you have any other means of money" !!!! i told her "if i did i would,nt be on the phone with you" !!

in the end (and through tears) i put the phone down on her

she rang back saying "we were cut off sorry" and then was a bit more polite

 

well anyway she kept on saying that i HAD to claim for my husband and i dont want to , she told me i dont have a choice

is she right do i have to now claim for my husband ? because hes moved in ? i wish they would hurry and sort it out and pay me the monies due to me

any help gladly appreciated

thanks again

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I don't know the answer but I do sympathize with you. My doctor has advised me to not visit these websites with the benefits horror stories because it raises my anxiety level too much.

 

I am in my own benefits horror story and it's not going away any time soon.

 

You probably do have to claim for him but don't take my word for it.

 

dj


Benefits rules are complex, and although I do try to inform and support people, I may get it wrong because the rules apply to individual claimants and their particular circumstances.

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hi doktorjohn ,

thanks anyway

have you asked on the forums to see if anyone is able to help you with your own situation , maybe i could help

we,ve all been through a LOT with the benefit system , so someone is bound to have gone through similair

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May I please settle the question re. WCA and a witness, adviser or carer being present.

In parliament this question was raised and the response was that the Law says YES, if ATOSh say otherwise, then go through the procedure of firstly complaining to ATOS, see here how to do it and keep evidence, then you can have a go at the DWP after exhausting the set procedure - if you're still alive!

 

Hello,

Thanks for that. It's a bit late for us now - all this happened in Jan this year. I never knew you could complain about it, we just took it that as he was the doctor and those were the rules that he laid down.

If there is another time that I have to claim which my be sooner than I had hoped as I cannot really cope with JSA, having to look for jobs all of the time when I should be taking it easy, as per my consultant's instructions I will remember your comments.

Edited by GRUMPYOLEMAN
added a bit

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Yes I have had a lot of help but ultimately I expect to win a battle but lose the war.

 

I expect to win my appeal for IB only to be migrated to ESA and not qualify for it; depression and sciatica are not reasons to be unemployed under ESA rules.

 

So it will be JSA for me, and pretending I could work, when actually I would not last more than a day or two in most workplace situations.

 

dj


Benefits rules are complex, and although I do try to inform and support people, I may get it wrong because the rules apply to individual claimants and their particular circumstances.

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It's extremely unlikely that you will be able to argue successfully that you live with your husband but aren't a couple. You could read through these guidelines (PDF file) for DWP Decision Makers, but my understanding is that they apply to unmarried couples who live together. When I worked there, I never encountered a situation where a man and woman who were married lived together but asserted they were not a couple. I guess maybe the rules could be applied in the case of a recent marriage breakup if one person needs to save money for a deposit on a new flat or the like.

 

I'm posting this mainly to bump your thread on this forum - I was an ESA processor but I'm not a Welfare Rights Adviser, and they'd be your best chance if you want to fight this particular battle. CAB or your local council may provide such a service.


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